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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    CHAVOUS IS THE ONLY ONE ON OUR D GETTING BURNED ALONG WITH B WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are both terrible, I cant stand Chavous blowing all these plays along with B Will giving up a 25 yard pass to a tight end!!!!! Chavous is Crap, just plain old Crap and anyone with common sense can see that. Antoine is a good corner, and he just had one bad play that whole game. Look at Champ Bailey, even he gets burnt for touchdowns. Fred Smoot is a great player also, but they ALWAYS play 10 yards back, its pissing me off!!!!!!!!! We should BE ALOT MORE PHYSICAL BECAUSE THESE ARE GOOD CORNERS!!!!!!!!!!! Chavous is the only one in our seconday who just plain sucks, atleast BWill delivers hits!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    What about Ralph Brown?

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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    AW has always been an above average cover corner at best, not great. He is a great corner because of his ability to make open field tackles and his ability to be in the right spot on run defense. By the way, the Johnson thing was not on Winfield, that play is 100 percent on Darren Sharper. Smoot is similar to Winfield, but does get in WRs heads a little more and play a little more physical. I think both have done a fairly good job covering this season. I mean, if you are gonna give the QB so much time there is only oh so long any corner is gonna cover and wideout. I think coverage wise, our safety play has been pretty poor, too aggressive against Play action and against the run, and that is hurting B-Will, Smoot and A-Dub, all three of whom are capable NFL corners.

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    I also think that we need to see our corners up close to the line, and jamming the hell out of the recievers..

    Almost all QB's and Recievers work on timing routes, and with a good jam and delaying the recievers intentions by only a second, can really screw up a QB's passing intentions..

    Put our safety over the #1 reciever and drop back a LB for the # 2 reciever for short routes...

    I've always been a big hater of Corners sitting back 5 to 10 yards from the reciever..


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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    "Hitstick31" wrote:
    CHAVOUS IS THE ONLY ONE ON OUR D GETTING BURNED ALONG WITH B WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are both terrible, I cant stand Chavous blowing all these plays along with B Will giving up a 25 yard pass to a tight end!!!!! Chavous is Crap, just plain old Crap and anyone with common sense can see that. Antoine is a good corner, and he just had one bad play that whole game. Look at Champ Bailey, even he gets burnt for touchdowns. Fred Smoot is a great player also, but they ALWAYS play 10 yards back, its pissing me off!!!!!!!!! We should BE ALOT MORE PHYSICAL BECAUSE THESE ARE GOOD CORNERS!!!!!!!!!!! Chavous is the only one in our seconday who just plain sucks, atleast BWill delivers hits!!!!!!!!!!
    Great, here you go again, with nothing to back yourself up, other than Chavous knocking down passes and making a solid number of tackles. Also he is playing really well against the run. All safety's get burnt in one-on-one coverage ... anyone with common sense can see that when they watch football. I guess you are too used to playing the video games and seeing coverage that is ridiculous (like on the new madden, it is just stupid) instead of watching real football ... but that is okay, too each their own.

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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    No such thing as a shutdown corner anymore...at least in the Vikings secondary anyway....but mad props for whomever recognized that we needed to adjust in the second half...the adjustments worked...and our defense shut down the Packers pretty much the whole second half. Of course, the fact that our offense started moving the ball meant that our defense was a ton more fresher...so that they could fly to the ball much quicker and more consistently.
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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    "VikingNed" wrote:
    I also think that we need to see our corners up close to the line, and jamming the hell out of the recievers..

    Almost all QB's and Recievers work on timing routes, and with a good jam and delaying the recievers intentions by only a second, can really screw up a QB's passing intentions..

    Put our safety over the #1 reciever and drop back a LB for the # 2 reciever for short routes...

    I've always been a big hater of Corners sitting back 5 to 10 yards from the reciever..
    I definitely fall into this Viking ship as well. The corners we have a great tacklers and solid physical players. Might as well use that by jamming. If they get beat on a quick slant, they both tackle well enough to make it worth the risk. This would just mean we need to trust both Chavous and Sharper not to over-pursue, especially on play action.

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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Ted has a system? That's reassuring. Here all this time I thought he was accidentally making our DB's line up 10 yards back.
    Hit that one right on the head Del Rio. His damn system seems to change every game. And it is starting to take its toll, I think that the corners and safety's often are unsure where they need to lineup. Whatever they did though, the figured it out for the second half on Sunday.

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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "VikingNed" wrote:
    I also think that we need to see our corners up close to the line, and jamming the hell out of the recievers..

    Almost all QB's and Recievers work on timing routes, and with a good jam and delaying the recievers intentions by only a second, can really screw up a QB's passing intentions..

    Put our safety over the #1 reciever and drop back a LB for the # 2 reciever for short routes...

    I've always been a big hater of Corners sitting back 5 to 10 yards from the reciever..
    I definitely fall into this Viking ship as well. The corners we have a great tacklers and solid physical players. Might as well use that by jamming. If they get beat on a quick slant, they both tackle well enough to make it worth the risk. This would just mean we need to trust both Chavous and Sharper not to over-pursue, especially on play action.
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    Re: What is going on w/ Winfield??

    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Hey for what it is worth I agree that Sharper takes way too many chances. Never wanted the guy here myself but here he is :grin:

    I just hope his chances = good things more then they = toast.

    I agree totally. Sure the guy comes up with great plays and all, but he gets burnt way too much for my liking.

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