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    What to do with Joe Webb? QB, WR, defense, special teams...

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    I understand why "everyone" wants to see Joe Webb on the field some way or another. I know I do! There's just this one little problem and his name is Christian Ponder. Ponder is the Vikings starting quarterback and it's his job to lose, but Joe Webb is too good to not play football. Webb is very versatile, unfortunately, in a way that is also his weakness. The problem is that he is a man without a position. He doesn't stand out at any positions as of yet.

    He shows great potential as a quarterback, but he's still no Cam Newton. He has played some wide receiver, but I think the coaches see that he's too far away from developing into a great receiver.

    Whether it is the route-running or pass-catching that Webb has a difficult time learning, my impression (from interviews and how Webb is being used in practice and games) is clear that the coaches believe that Webb can't be a NFL receiver. Especially considering our terrible WR situation. If he can't compete for a spot there, then it should be a warning sign. I think us fans need to drop the ball on the receiver option.

    ... but... there are still many other options.
    Why not look at the defensive side of the ball? Webb is extremely athletic, and even rivals Calvin Johnson in that department. He also has the similar size. Plus, Webb has quarterback intelligence, maybe he can be used as a safety. That has been a successful convertion for quarterbacks in the past. Of course, I have no clue if he can tackle, but I'm just throwing that out there.

    Many people think Webb could be perfect for the Dolphins' Wildcat offense. Why wouldn't he? He is a far better passer than Ronnie Brown and definitely can run the ball too. Webb was used like this in the Minnesota's so-called "Blazer Package", but with little success, but does that mean we should just give up on it? After-all, the Vikings were the first team in the NFL to use the Wildcat formation. I say it's time to take it back!

    I'd also want to see if Webb can be used in a similar way that Tim Tebow was used in Denver last season which was practically the same as the wildcat offense at times. Granted, I doubt Joe Webb has Tebow's superb fast reading skills in those situation, but he definitely has the running skills.

    It doesn't have to be in the particular Wildcat formation, but in a way to confuse the defense and keep them off-guard and as a change of pace. I suspect that this is what the Jets have in plans this season. A two-quarterback attack system. One conventional (Mark Sanchez) and one extreme non-convential (Tim Tebow).

    It has been critiqued for maybe causing the offense to get out of rythm, but I don't see this problem. Sanchez and Tebow are not competing against each other. Instead they have their own parts to fulfill. Teebow is not the number two QB on the roster, he's the number one "what-ever-you-call-it"-position. It will be interesting to see how it works if this is what the Jets are going to implant this year.

    Another possibility that still leaves him available for playing offense and defense is special teams. Let him hold the kicks so we can use him as a dangerous threat on field goal fakes for example. He has also already tried returning kicks (or on second thought, I think it was punts) and I like his running abilities, but this is one of the few instances where I think his size might be an disadvantage. On the other hand, big bodies like Patrick Peterson, Jordy Nelson, and Dez Bryant are one of the best returners in the league and they use their size, in particular Dez Bryant, to bully the would-be tacklers. Sounds absurd to have a quarterback return punts, but Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman does it, and they were quarterbacks. So let's not get stuck in positions and instead use what we have!

    My issue is that Lezlie Frazier is holding his star players back a little too much in my opinion. This has bothered me in the past. I understand his thinking, but it's absurd to not squeeze every drop out of every player. Maybe it could lead to an injury, but we can't be too cautious either.

    This is American football!
    Sacrifices has to be made if you want to win games in this highly competitive league.

    While we wait, let's enjoy some Joe Webb awesomeness!

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    Tight End.

    Then we can run the tight end reverse option and really stick to them Packers. They won't know what hit them.

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    What to do with Joe Webb? QB, WR, defense, special teams...

    I read your blog post here on ppo about this topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webby View Post
    I read your blog post here on ppo about this topic!
    Thought it would automatically show up among the forum topics. Might be a good idea to incorporate such a feature.

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    I vote for Back up QB.

    Seriously, I think he is very well suited for that job. His speed and athleticism are an asset when he comes in to relieve a QB because his style of play is so different than what they will have likely have game planned for. I think he compliments Ponder very nicely.

    There is nothing wrong with being a backup QB. It is arguably the most important bench role that there is in football, even if he doesn't see the field as often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    I vote for Back up QB.

    Seriously, I think he is very well suited for that job. His speed and athleticism are an asset when he comes in to relieve a QB because his style of play is so different than what they will have likely have game planned for. I think he compliments Ponder very nicely.

    There is nothing wrong with being a backup QB. It is arguably the most important bench role that there is in football, even if he doesn't see the field as often.
    Exactly! Especially given Ponder's injury history so far. The other thing is that the backup QB holds the clipboard, takes notes, and generally helps facilitate communication between the coordinator and the on-field QB...important duties that he'd miss a bit of if he was playing STs regularly.

    I hear ya, he's produced some really freaking exciting plays, but I like what our plan is for him for now: concentrate on QB, lets see what we have there first and worry about other options in a year or two.

    I'm starting to think that QB is a position you can look at drafting nearly every year. A guy like Rodgers sitting behind Favre, or what the Pats are doing with Mallet behind Brady, and the Eagles with Coles behind Vick is a nice luxury to have. A good backup is great to have, and trade bait isn't all bad either, and I think now more than ever, It's got to be part of the plan if you want to go from "rebuilding years" to competing every year.
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    I think that the Vikings are in a good position with Webb. He's not a hot commodity that will pull a sweet trade deal right now, but he has a lot of "potential". And, on a team that is strapped at so many positions, that can turn into something special.

    What i don't want to see is a wildcat offense here. I think that the Vikings have given ponder the green light and that they should see how far he can go....not force him to stutter step along so that they can fit in a handful of "tricksie" plays in....

    The downside to Webb is, as HEY mentioned, that he hasn't really stood out at any position. And, IMO, that could lead to him becoming expendable if he doesn't pick a direction and follow it soon.

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    Agreed. NO WILDCAT. Or Blazer package or whatever the hell they want to call it now. It was a gimmick formation that took a couple of teams off guard a few years ago. But it is no longer effective and it does not have a place in the NFL.


    That being said... anyone remember when the Wildcat first made an appearance in the NFL? It wasn't the dolphins in 2006... It was actually the Vikings in 1998.

    The wildcat formation made an appearance in 1998, when Minnesota Vikings' offensive coordinator Brian Billick began employing formations where QB Randall Cunningham lined-up as a wide receiver and third-down specialist David Palmer took the direct snap from the center with the option to pass or run.
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    Hmmmmm, wonder why you said that having Ponder was a "little problem".

    Anyway, let him develop as the backup QB. If he doesn't seem to progress in that area (is taken over by someone else) then move him along.

    Seriously, it isn't that easy just to switch him to another position. If it was, it would be nothing for Griff to switch from DE to LB.
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    What to do with Joe Webb? QB, WR, defense, special teams...

    Joe Webb experiment can end now I think?

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