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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    We keep having this same discussion over and over and over again with respect to the LDE and RDE positions.
    Believe it or not guys/gals there is a difference, just like there is a difference between S and FS, RCB and LCB, MLB, OLB (those are different skill sets as well).

    Sure it isn't as prevalant on say a Highschool Team (I played as well) but when you move on to College and ultimately the NFL level there is.

    Here are a couple of threads on this page were a wise man (slightly balding of course) has discussed this.

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...8788#msg578788

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...7327#msg617327

    Additionally, here is a good link that kindof gives a 101 on all positions that I like to quote.

    Defensive end -- The qualities in a DE vary with the type of defense being played and what a team is asking that player to do.

    With a 4-3 defense, you're looking for DEs that can rush the QB. The RDE should be the best pass rusher and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a "sack artist." He should have great range and chase ability and at least be adequate against the run, though that is not what he is being paid to do. If he isn't at least adequate against the run, the opposing offense will find him and run right at him. Many young players coming into the league that lack great size and strength are becoming successful contributors as RDEs either on a full-time basis or as nickel rushers.

    The LDE in a 4-3 defense still has to have some pass-rush ability, but is also a little more powerful. He must be able to stop the run (most teams are right-handed) and he must be able to jam the TE at the line of scrimmage. He is not quite the athlete that the RDE is, but he is a little more powerful.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...14/whatscouts/

    With all that said, I think that Erasmus will be our weakest link until he show me that he is 100%.
    Until then Ray will have to step up and put some pressure on the QB or guys like Griffin will get burned all day long.

    Old cliche' but a good one.
    Doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if the QB has all day long to pass, someone will get open.
    But for a former 1st round draft pick to have a sack total of ZERO, whether he switched sides or not, is unacceptable IMO. Even more-so considering Udeze has moved from that RDE position which (like you quoted) "The RDE should be the best pass rusher, and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a sack artist".


    Anyways, Erasmus and his injury bug has been an even bigger disappointment than Udeze, which is sad to say. Good thing we have some strong, young guys that have the potential to step up and become great.

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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    "vikes09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    We keep having this same discussion over and over and over again with respect to the LDE and RDE positions.
    Believe it or not guys/gals there is a difference, just like there is a difference between S and FS, RCB and LCB, MLB, OLB (those are different skill sets as well).

    Sure it isn't as prevalant on say a Highschool Team (I played as well) but when you move on to College and ultimately the NFL level there is.

    Here are a couple of threads on this page were a wise man (slightly balding of course) has discussed this.

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...8788#msg578788

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...7327#msg617327

    Additionally, here is a good link that kindof gives a 101 on all positions that I like to quote.

    Defensive end -- The qualities in a DE vary with the type of defense being played and what a team is asking that player to do.

    With a 4-3 defense, you're looking for DEs that can rush the QB. The RDE should be the best pass rusher and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a "sack artist." He should have great range and chase ability and at least be adequate against the run, though that is not what he is being paid to do. If he isn't at least adequate against the run, the opposing offense will find him and run right at him. Many young players coming into the league that lack great size and strength are becoming successful contributors as RDEs either on a full-time basis or as nickel rushers.

    The LDE in a 4-3 defense still has to have some pass-rush ability, but is also a little more powerful. He must be able to stop the run (most teams are right-handed) and he must be able to jam the TE at the line of scrimmage. He is not quite the athlete that the RDE is, but he is a little more powerful.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...14/whatscouts/

    With all that said, I think that Erasmus will be our weakest link until he show me that he is 100%.
    Until then Ray will have to step up and put some pressure on the QB or guys like Griffin will get burned all day long.

    Old cliche' but a good one.
    Doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if the QB has all day long to pass, someone will get open.
    But for a former 1st round draft pick to have a sack total of ZERO, whether he switched sides or not, is unacceptable IMO. Even more-so considering Udeze has moved from that RDE position which (like you quoted) "The RDE should be the best pass rusher, and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a sack artist".



    Anyways, Erasmus and his injury bug has been an even bigger disappointment than Udeze, which is sad to say. Good thing we have some strong, young guys that have the potential to step up and become great.
    ;D Frustration sets in
    ;D

    They had to put him in the RDE position because they were desparate.
    They sure the heck didn't move him there cause they wanted to my friend.

    Because of injuries and lack of depth he was playing out of position.
    He is bigger and slower and not a pass rush specialist.
    What is so hard to understand about that?
    :

    Add to that the whole issue related to (a discussion that gets a bit touchy) Tomlins inability to come up with a scheme to stop the pass as well as things like Phat Pat's inability to collapse the pocket, thereby flushing the QB to a slower DE.........Anyway, combine all those little issues and you will see why it was a total team failure when it came to sacking the QB to include ZERO sacks for our boy Eduze.



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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "vikes09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    We keep having this same discussion over and over and over again with respect to the LDE and RDE positions.
    Believe it or not guys/gals there is a difference, just like there is a difference between S and FS, RCB and LCB, MLB, OLB (those are different skill sets as well).

    Sure it isn't as prevalant on say a Highschool Team (I played as well) but when you move on to College and ultimately the NFL level there is.

    Here are a couple of threads on this page were a wise man (slightly balding of course) has discussed this.

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...8788#msg578788

    http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...7327#msg617327

    Additionally, here is a good link that kindof gives a 101 on all positions that I like to quote.

    Defensive end -- The qualities in a DE vary with the type of defense being played and what a team is asking that player to do.

    With a 4-3 defense, you're looking for DEs that can rush the QB. The RDE should be the best pass rusher and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a "sack artist." He should have great range and chase ability and at least be adequate against the run, though that is not what he is being paid to do. If he isn't at least adequate against the run, the opposing offense will find him and run right at him. Many young players coming into the league that lack great size and strength are becoming successful contributors as RDEs either on a full-time basis or as nickel rushers.

    The LDE in a 4-3 defense still has to have some pass-rush ability, but is also a little more powerful. He must be able to stop the run (most teams are right-handed) and he must be able to jam the TE at the line of scrimmage. He is not quite the athlete that the RDE is, but he is a little more powerful.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...14/whatscouts/

    With all that said, I think that Erasmus will be our weakest link until he show me that he is 100%.
    Until then Ray will have to step up and put some pressure on the QB or guys like Griffin will get burned all day long.

    Old cliche' but a good one.
    Doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if the QB has all day long to pass, someone will get open.
    But for a former 1st round draft pick to have a sack total of ZERO, whether he switched sides or not, is unacceptable IMO. Even more-so considering Udeze has moved from that RDE position which (like you quoted) "The RDE should be the best pass rusher, and he must have speed and explosion off the corner and should be a sack artist".


    Anyways, Erasmus and his injury bug has been an even bigger disappointment than Udeze, which is sad to say. Good thing we have some strong, young guys that have the potential to step up and become great.
    ;D Frustration sets in
    ;D

    They had to put him in the RDE position because they were desparate.
    They sure the heck didn't move him there cause they wanted to my friend.

    Because of injuries and lack of depth he was playing out of position.
    He is bigger and slower and not a pass rush specialist.
    What is so hard to understand about that?
    :

    Add to that the whole issue related to (a discussion that gets a bit touchy) Tomlins inability to come up with a scheme to stop the pass as well as things like Phat Pat's inability to collapse the pocket, thereby flushing the QB to a slower DE.........Anyway, combine all those little issues and you will see why it was a total team failure when it came to sacking the QB to include ZERO sacks for our boy Eduze.



    It's not my inability to understand it, more than my frustration in the fact that he didn't do his job as a RDE. Irregardless as to whether or not he was "good" as a pass specialist, or however desperate we seemed for depth at DE.

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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    Can we just agree all of our ends underperformed last year.

    Although you could say Scott over-performed his limited potential.

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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    Can we just agree all of our ends underperformed last year.

    Although you could say Scott over-performed his limited potential.
    So true and so depressing.

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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    Can we at least spell defence correctly in the thread title? No need to give visiting Packers fans ammunition ... wait ... they would not know the difference anyways.

    I still think Udeze is a pretty big weak link ... but I think he has a lot of talent and could be going the right way this year. I voted for him because I trust the veterans Smith and Sharper and think Griffin is really solid. Smith could be a problem though since Sharper and he like to take risks to go after the ball.

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    Re: Weakest Link: Defence

    But it's the canadian way midgensa so it's cool.

    Actually my neighbor gave us 20 free coffee mugs with an american flag and tank on them because they have "defence" written on them.

    They were intended to be shipped to america lol.

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