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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    My guess also is if they bring in a FA QB at all to replace Webb, it'll be someone in the middle to bottom half of the FA pool that can be signed on the cheap & doesn't pose a threat to outplaying Ponder. Here's the FA list.
    So what you're saying is the FO believes their pet project is so fragile they don't want to put any pressure on him by bringing in a quality backup plan, or perhaps someone who can compete for the job? That's just great! A strategy that wreaks of perennial mediocrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    By someday, I hope you mean 2013 & not 2016.

    My guess also is if they bring in a FA QB at all to replace Webb, it'll be someone in the middle to bottom half of the FA pool that can be signed on the cheap & doesn't pose a threat to outplaying Ponder. Here's the FA list.

    Derek Anderson
    Charlie Batch
    Jason Campbell
    David Carr
    Kellen Clemens
    Chase Daniel
    Joe Flacco
    Bruce Gradkowski
    Rex Grossman
    Tarvaris Jackson
    Byron Leftwich
    Matt Leinart
    Josh McCown
    Luke McCown
    Matt Moore
    Jordan Palmer
    Brady Quinn
    Drew Stanton
    Tyler Thigpen
    This is very likely the case ... and I am not totally against it.

    It appears that Alex Smith would likely be cut by the 49ers ... but he may be trade bait to a team that knows they want him as a starter because his contract is relatively low for a full-time starting QB.

    I don't see us giving up picks to get him ... and making a move on him as a FA doesn't make sense because he will very likely be getting starter money from somewhere else. Look at all the teams that could very well be in the QB market that he would have a much stronger chance at being the starter – Philly, Arizona, NY Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland and Kansas City. Now, many of those teams might be happy with the guy(s) they got, but they could certainly explore Smith and he would have to like his chances better in those spot.

    If we want to flat out make him the starter ... I am not against it. I was not against it last season. But bringing him in to compete does not seem like a logical money move for us or a logical move for him at all.

    Of that list Singer, I think I would feel most comfy with: Jason Campbell, and not too disappointed with David Carr, Joe Flacco (which is NOT happening. He will certainly start somewhere next season), Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Moore and Tyler Thigpen.

    I think that Jason Campbell or David Carr would fit pretty perfectly around these parts. And Jason Campbell would have to like his chances at getting to play if Ponder's injuries or ineffectiveness creep up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    This is very likely the case ... and I am not totally against it.

    It appears that Alex Smith would likely be cut by the 49ers ... but he may be trade bait to a team that knows they want him as a starter because his contract is relatively low for a full-time starting QB.

    I don't see us giving up picks to get him ... and making a move on him as a FA doesn't make sense because he will very likely be getting starter money from somewhere else. Look at all the teams that could very well be in the QB market that he would have a much stronger chance at being the starter – Philly, Arizona, NY Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland and Kansas City. Now, many of those teams might be happy with the guy(s) they got, but they could certainly explore Smith and he would have to like his chances better in those spot.

    If we want to flat out make him the starter ... I am not against it. I was not against it last season. But bringing him in to compete does not seem like a logical money move for us or a logical move for him at all.

    Of that list Singer, I think I would feel most comfy with: Jason Campbell, and not too disappointed with David Carr, Joe Flacco (which is NOT happening. He will certainly start somewhere next season), Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Moore and Tyler Thigpen.

    I think that Jason Campbell or David Carr would fit pretty perfectly around these parts. And Jason Campbell would have to like his chances at getting to play if Ponder's injuries or ineffectiveness creep up again.
    A: I wanted Carr about 8 years ago, when Houston dropped him....not so sure now...

    B: No Jackson. Bringing him here would just start the excuses flowing again....I'd rather claw my eyes out with a spork.

    None of the others really brings that veteran "Starter Past His prime" to the table.

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    Well, it looks like finally signing Ryan Leaf may have just gotten a bit more complicated......

    Ryan Leaf Heads To Prison After Getting Kicked Out Of Drug Treatment Program

    Former NFL quarterback Ryan Leaf is heading to prison now that he’s been kicked out of a drug treatment center.
    According to Sports Illustrated, Leaf, who played for the San Diego Chargers, was kicked out of a treatment program for behavioral problems including threatening a member of the staff. He will now be transferred to the Montana State Prison.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I grow tired of arguing... it's the problem with the purple shades...even when you player is dead last in the league and the truth is staring you in the face, you can depend on the Vikings hopeful to say,
    " this guy compares to this guy". He doesn't! Ponder is a bum just like TJ was a bum. Just like Webb is a bum. I have been advocating for a new QB because we have possible the 2nd worst QB situation in football. Atleast Jacksonville and the Jest(Jets) are about to be sorted out. We will continue with this crap of 8 games of terrible QB play followed by 1 good game and all will be forgotten. It's the same shit we had with TJ and people sat there and proclaimed him a "good QB"
    Aren't you tired of hanging you hat on a guy that you have to hope turns out ok? To stand and say that Alex Smith and Ponder is on the same level is idotic. Also, Smith didn't just get his guys to the playoffs, he got them to the NFC championship and lost in OT. I gues the #FACTS are hard to keep track of when you are just making things up as you go. Fact smith didn't cost his teams games... #Fact, I can point out 4 games we lost because of Ponder. Why am I arguing this when I can just get the film of Ponder hitting a Defender in the back with an attempted pass. He is terrible!
    Purple shades are a bitch....so are stat monkeys who pour over number after number looking for comparisons to HOF players to justify their support of a player who simply isn't performing.

    I'm not a big Ponder fan. But, to be fair, I don't know if anyone can succeed with the crap WR corps we have. My personal feeling on this is that until we have some worthwhile receivers, there really isn't a lot of point in tearing up the draft or FA in search of the next QB.

    Of course, we'll also need an OC who isn't retarded...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    A: I wanted Carr about 8 years ago, when Houston dropped him....not so sure now...

    B: No Jackson. Bringing him here would just start the excuses flowing again....I'd rather claw my eyes out with a spork.

    None of the others really brings that veteran "Starter Past His prime" to the table.

    Caine

    Just not a great list. That is why Campbell was my clear cut top guy. I still think Carr and a couple others are better than Joe Webb though, including T-Jack. Though I would not like to see that guy around here again ... just names that I thought on the surface make our backup better than what it is right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Purple shades are a bitch....so are stat monkeys who pour over number after number looking for comparisons to HOF players to justify their support of a player who simply isn't performing.

    I'm not a big Ponder fan. But, to be fair, I don't know if anyone can succeed with the crap WR corps we have. My personal feeling on this is that until we have some worthwhile receivers, there really isn't a lot of point in tearing up the draft or FA in search of the next QB.

    Of course, we'll also need an OC who isn't retarded...

    Caine
    Why not fix both issues?
    Why do we have to fix the WR problem and then wait and see if it's the QB...then spend 3 more years grooming the right guy only too see our star RB gone. Why can't we address WR and QB at once? Why can't we? That's why bad teams stay bad teams...a narrow focus. You have to multi task when building in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post

    I don't know if anyone can succeed with the crap WR corps we have. My personal feeling on this is that until we have some worthwhile receivers, there really isn't a lot of point in tearing up the draft or FA in search of the next QB..

    Caine
    Perhaps Trow Williamson, Bobby Wade & Robert Ferguson are available so we no longer have a craptacular WR corp.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I'm not a big Ponder fan. But, to be fair, I don't know if anyone can succeed with the crap WR corps we have. My personal feeling on this is that until we have some worthwhile receivers, there really isn't a lot of point in tearing up the draft or FA in search of the next QB.


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    The whole deal for me comes down to you have to have the QB you want and build around them no matter what the rest of the team is like. Once that piece is in place you have the foundation for a long run of success. If you don't fix that it really doesn't matter what you do with the rest of the team if you want long term success. If you want to make a short run you can certainly do that in many ways as we have seen over the history of the league but there are no teams in the modern era who have been championship caliber over a long period of time without having a great QB under center.

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    Yeah i hope to be eating crow sooner rather than later.

    I get the most pissed off looks from people with my VKG 4 LFE Wisconsin license plate, and I LOVE IT!!

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