Thread: WCO/Cover 2 needs to go
10-01-2012, 09:50 AM #51
It all started with Guion getting that sack when he was left alone and ended when Griff was given chances to put the QB down when we needed someone to put him down. Thats why I always blame the DL. If the scheme breaks down, its almost always because they didn't do their job. When they don't, you force the other areas (LB'rs and DB's) to help which weakens them in their areas.
In the end, your BTW was right and proven yesterday. We don't need shut down DB's. We just need the whole defense to do their job and the scheme works. That allows them to do just their job, which is more than enough to be successful in this scheme.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
10-01-2012, 11:17 AM #52
I don't remember Guion being left alone, but I do remember Griffen having a free shot at Stafford. The Griffen sack was because the Vikings brought more guys than Detroit could block and left Griffen alone. This wasn't a 4 against 5 or 6 situation. Quite often we were using extra rushers to put pressure on Stafford.
The scheme can break down very easily even when the DL does their job. Everyone has a job to do and weakness in any area will cause the team to suffer. We have had a lot of weaknesses outside of the DL over the last several years.
10-01-2012, 01:01 PM #53
As to Griff, your correct. 1 of his 4 hits he was left alone because Chad brought it to the inside.
JA's sack and several other plays were just the front 4 rushed, you could almost say they were coverage sacks because of how long Stafford had the ball and didn't have a place to go with it.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
10-01-2012, 02:43 PM #54
10-02-2012, 07:15 AM #55
Just making the small point that because the zones are flooded with DB's and LB'rs, coverage sacks will come.
In the end, this scheme will work and it will look good, but it will only look good if the effort comes from every stage and it all starts with the DLmen doing it without help.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
It seems to me when we were getting the best pressure it was because we were sending LB's and Safeties in after the QB.
10-02-2012, 10:14 AM #57
Coverage sack definition --- sack of the quarterback that takes place after about 3 seconds after the snap; caused by inability of the quarterback to find an open receiver because of excellent pass coverage on the receivers
If the QB's were hitting open guys quickly with only 4 pass rushers, I think you would still lay the blame on the DL for not getting to the QB faster. When does it ever become the fault of the secondary? And I'm not asking for shut down coverage corners, just want the back end of the team doing what they are being asked to do. The last couple years, they haven't done so well, this year they are doing better. This is not due to improved DL play IMO, but because we upgraded the talent in the secondary. Many ways to skin the cat to improve a defense regardless of how true you want to be to the philosophy of a particular scheme.
And not to confuse things too much, but as Floyd points out, we did bring extra pass rushers many times against Stafford which led to a lot of our success. I don't see that changing.
10-02-2012, 11:15 AM #58
I do admit, however, that I do look to the bigs up front first, as you contend. Its my nature. Same goes for the offense. If they are doing their job everyone else looks good doing theirs.
Many times.......??? Obviously you didn't listen to (or read) what our HC had to say about that.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
10-02-2012, 11:17 AM #59Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
10-02-2012, 11:54 AM #60
My biggest gripe was they went to the prevent defense late in the game. We all know the prevent defense prevents nothing, and the Lions drove the length of the field and scored their lone touchdown against it(took about 2minutes off the clock).
We still won the game, but the Lions got an opportunity to tie it up at the end that should have never been given.
I would like to see more aggressive play calling from the offense and defense when they have a lead late.