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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    I say we cut Shanc...... but I am not a coach.
    He seems to be the TW of TEs.

    He is earning too much money, anything over a league min is too much.
    The guy hasn't earned what he is making yet.
    Cut the loss off where it sits and be done with it.

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    Time will tell on who is right on this.
    I am of the opinion I will be talking shit to you this year over my boy Shanc.
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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    I know Sidney Rice had a solid rookie season and led the Vikings with four touchdown catches, but I think he also could be in for a very good year. Rice has added about 8 pounds to his 6-4 frame. The thing about Rice is he’s the anti-Troy Williamson. Williamson just never looked comfortable attempting to catch the ball. Rice, on the other hand, often makes catching passes look easy. The Vikings decision to take Rice in the second round of the 2007 draft over USC’s Dwayne Jarrett should continue to look very good this season.
    Soooo happy to read that!
    Yeah ... I remember right after the season that about 50 people around here were saying how we HAD to take Jarrett at No. 7 ... just one of those things you remember for a while because it reminds you why we aren't all scouts or GMs
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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=45377.msg786822#msg786822 date=1212249543]
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
    [/quote]

    Also found this list.

    http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFC&rank=23 2

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=45377.msg787690#msg787690 date=1212445005]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=45377.msg786822#msg786822 date=1212249543]
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
    [/quote]

    Also found this list.

    http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFC&rank=23 2
    [/quote]

    Interesting. Shaincoe had a 63% and Williamson had a 47%.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=45377.msg787804#msg787804 date=1212454448]
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=45377.msg787690#msg787690 date=1212445005]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=45377.msg786822#msg786822 date=1212249543]
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
    [/quote]

    Also found this list.

    http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFC&rank=23 2
    [/quote]

    Interesting. Shaincoe had a 63% and Williamson had a 47%.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php
    [/quote]

    Found it!

    Shiancoe 2 drops vs Williamson 4 drops

    http://sports.aol.com/nfl-players/visanthe-shiancoe/6427

    http://sports.aol.com/nfl-players/troy-williamson/7183?selectedTab=snapshot

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=45377.msg787804#msg787804 date=1212454448]
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=45377.msg787690#msg787690 date=1212445005]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=45377.msg786822#msg786822 date=1212249543]
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
    [/quote]

    Also found this list.

    http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFC&rank=23 2
    [/quote]

    Interesting. Shaincoe had a 63% and Williamson had a 47%.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php
    [/quote]


    Williamson only made one play for us last year.
    Shank made a few circus grabs.
    While neither player did anything special, Shanko does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Williamson.

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=45377.msg788041#msg788041 date=1212505524]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=45377.msg787804#msg787804 date=1212454448]
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=45377.msg787690#msg787690 date=1212445005]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=45377.msg786822#msg786822 date=1212249543]
    Visanthe Shiancoe, who had a disappointing first season with the Vikings after being signed as a free agent, made some nice catches over the middle but struggled to hold onto the ball at times after running shorter patterns. On Wednesday, I had him with three drops.
    Not good. What are the chances of landing Travis Beckum next year?
    Don't tell Marr this. He think Shank will suddenly get a hands transplant and turn into Gates.
    The guy cannot catch!!!!
    I would have to argue that, I've seen Shanc make some impressive catches since being here in Minny, he had a couple drops on National Telivision for everyone to see and people feel he's complete garbage, granted thats a bad time to drop a pass I'll give him another year, he also fumbled his only ball away in that same game. His best games were with Holcomb at QB. This tells me Tarvaris needs to get better at utilizing the TE.

    I read somwhere that he had 3 drops in OTA's in a hurry, I don't like this but I also don't know how solid the source is. IMO he's a very sound blocker and he's our biggest threat at TE. We must feel somewhat comfortable with what we have, not one TE was brought in this offseason.
    Just because we "feel comfortabel" doesn't make him good. He is a decnt athletic TE who is solid at blocking. He has suspect hands and i predict we will see that more this year. I've known he sucked before his time on this team. I watch Giants games : (
    I believe he dropped more passes than twill last year. That's saying something.
    (sorry no link).
    All I could find is that none of them had more than 5, which is not that bad.

    http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
    [/quote]

    Also found this list.

    http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFC&rank=23 2
    [/quote]

    Interesting. Shaincoe had a 63% and Williamson had a 47%.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php
    [/quote]


    Williamson only made one play for us last year.
    Shank made a few circus grabs.
    While neither player did anything special, Shanko does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Williamson.
    [/quote]

    I'm old so the memory is a little hazy, but didn't Kliensauser have a couple TDs and a couple 1st downs WITHOUT dropping the ball.
    Granted, not much for YAC but catching the ball at the right place makes up for it. ;D

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    Re: Vikings - You ask and I try to answer

    Yeah... great point. Why isn't Kliensauser on the field more for our offense? He can block and catch... not to mention he's a truck and can run people over. Pull Shank and get Jimmy K back out there.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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