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    ( BY SEAN JENSEN, Pioneer Press, 11/16/2004 03:01 AM CST)
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    could you copy and paste the article or something?

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    That article you requisted bud.

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    Sure here ya go bud.



    Butler: Streaking Packers Staying Hot

    by LeRoy Butler, Special To Packers.com
    posted 11/16/2004

    Ahman Green




    Related Information

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    I know people have concerns over the fourth quarter from Sunday, but I'm going to deal with that later. First of all, I want to say what a great turnaround this has been over the last four games. After losing four straight and going to 1-4, the Packers have fought their way back to 5-4 and are in a tie for first place in the NFC North.

    I can't think of any team - outside of the perhaps Pittsburgh Steelers that have won seven in a row - that is hotter than the Green Bay Packers right now. The Packers have done whatever they've had to do over this four-game stretch to get the victory, and they've done it.

    You have to look at the leaders on this team, the guys like Brett Favre and Ahman Green and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - these guys just would not let this season slip away from them. You have to give them a lot of credit.

    Also, you have to give Coach Sherman a lot of credit for what he has done. He has his team focused on the big picture and that's winning the division and getting back to the playoffs where the Packers belong.

    Ahman Green, like I've said before, is a second half guru. He kicked of the second half of the season with an outstanding game against the Minnesota Vikings. Not to mention he had to leave the game after getting kicked in the knee, got it taped up, and came back and played very well in the third and fourth quarters.

    Brett Favre again proved that he is an ageless wonder. I had a conversation with him before the game and I asked him about playing at his age, and his reply was that every time he puts those pads on, it hurts and he feels it, but he loves the game, he loves the excitement and he loves what you the fans give him every time he steps out on the field.

    That's why when he took the ball with the score tied 31-31, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that the Packers were going to leave Lambeau Field with the 'W'. Brett made a beautiful throw to Tony Fisher and made some other great plays to get the team in position for Ryan Longwell to kick that game-winning field goal.

    Looking at the offense, I think the Packers are on to something here. The offensive line continued to prove that they are one of the best lines in the NFL. They grind the defensive line up and protect Brett Favre against countless blitzes and stunts.

    I also want to talk about a player who I think all of you need to vote for on those Pro Bowl ballots, and that's Javon Walker. This young man has stepped his game up and is now one of the top receivers in the entire league. He's gaining a lot of yards and making big plays every week.

    I think he and Terrell Owens are the biggest impact receivers in the entire NFL. The way Javon goes up and gets the ball and has the speed and the quickness and toughness to find the end zone, I just find that outstanding.

    Bubba Franks made a great catch in the end zone. It's always good to see the Packers take advantage of him as a big target in the red zone who runs very good routes. David Martin also had a long catch along the sideline that proves his versatility in this offense.

    I think the offense is really starting to find a balance. If they have to get into shootouts, they can win the shootouts. If they get into a situation where they have to run the ball to protect a lead, they can do that too. Whatever is necessary, this offense is capable of getting it done.

    One thing - just about the only thing - that has disappointed me about the offense has been the number of fumbles that they have given up. The Packers are -11 in the turnover ratio, and there have been way too many fumbles. If the Packers don't turn the ball over, they will be a very difficult team to beat down the stretch.

    Defensively, it seems to me like the Packers have to get their continuity together and get the scheme in perspective. Daunte Culpepper is one of the hottest quarterbacks in the league, and he showed why on Sunday.

    There were some positive signs that I took away from the defense's performance, though.

    KGB, like I've said before, is another one of those second half of the season guys. He had two sacks against the Vikings and possibly could have had four, but Dorsey and McKinnie, the two tackles, kept grabbing and holding him. Kabeer also played very well against the run.

    Cullen Jenkins also showed some great explosion on his sack breaking through the middle of the line.

    Bhawoh Jue had a possible interception that could have put the game away without all of the last-minute heroics, but I thought it was good that he was in position to make the play.

    One thing that concerned me on defense was that there were so many times that the Vikings had a receiver come wide open in the middle of the field.

    Another real concern I have - probably my biggest concern with the defense right now - is the third-and-long situations. I know you guys have the same concern from reading all of your e-mails.

    Whenever it's third and nine-or-more, teams have been able to convert those plays, and that's something that has got to get fixed. I think the defense needs to get more aggressive on those downs and put the guys in the position to make the plays.

    I'm looking for one of the guys to step up here in the second half of the season and put that to rest. Giving up big plays on third- and fourth-and-long will make you lose games that you should win.

    I also think the tackling in the red zone must improve, and just like everyone has said, this team is going to have to cause more turnovers to help out the offense. They've got to strip the ball and intercept passes to put the offense working with a short field.

    To think about some players of the game, I would have to give co-offensive player of the game awards to William Henderson and Brett Favre.

    Henderson blocked well all day, caught a touchdown pass, and then went on special teams and made the tackle on the kickoff. This guy is playing like he's 23, not 33 like his driver's license would tell you. He catches passes and jumps over tacklers, and then goes back to the huddle and pancakes defenders when he's throwing blocks for Ahman Green.

    I don't even have to say what a great job Brett did, throwing four touchdown passes and keeping the offense going for another big game.

    Defensively, Kabeer is the player of the game for his performance. He took over the game at one point, and that's what it's going to take for the rest of the season.

    On special teams, I have to give a game ball to Ben Steele for getting that fumble recovery that he probably shouldn't have gotten. He wrestled the ball away from four Vikings on that play and set up that big field goal at the end.

    The concerns I've pointed out are being fixed as we speak. The Packers are going on the road next week, and they're going to have to step up defensively against a good, young Houston Texans team.

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    Figures that GP (which stands for g*y pr*ck) would post an article by a former player named Buttler who used to play for the Fudgepackers...see a common theme here.
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    Re: That article you requisted bud.

    "GP_1_Again" wrote:
    "ADubya26" wrote:
    could you copy and paste the article or something?
    Sure here ya go bud.



    Butler: Streaking Packers Staying Hot

    by LeRoy Butler, Special To Packers.com
    posted 11/16/2004

    Ahman Green


    Who cares what he has to say. Get off our board!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Related Information

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    I know people have concerns over the fourth quarter from Sunday, but I'm going to deal with that later. First of all, I want to say what a great turnaround this has been over the last four games. After losing four straight and going to 1-4, the Packers have fought their way back to 5-4 and are in a tie for first place in the NFC North.

    I can't think of any team - outside of the perhaps Pittsburgh Steelers that have won seven in a row - that is hotter than the Green Bay Packers right now. The Packers have done whatever they've had to do over this four-game stretch to get the victory, and they've done it.

    You have to look at the leaders on this team, the guys like Brett Favre and Ahman Green and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - these guys just would not let this season slip away from them. You have to give them a lot of credit.

    Also, you have to give Coach Sherman a lot of credit for what he has done. He has his team focused on the big picture and that's winning the division and getting back to the playoffs where the Packers belong.

    Ahman Green, like I've said before, is a second half guru. He kicked of the second half of the season with an outstanding game against the Minnesota Vikings. Not to mention he had to leave the game after getting kicked in the knee, got it taped up, and came back and played very well in the third and fourth quarters.

    Brett Favre again proved that he is an ageless wonder. I had a conversation with him before the game and I asked him about playing at his age, and his reply was that every time he puts those pads on, it hurts and he feels it, but he loves the game, he loves the excitement and he loves what you the fans give him every time he steps out on the field.

    That's why when he took the ball with the score tied 31-31, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that the Packers were going to leave Lambeau Field with the 'W'. Brett made a beautiful throw to Tony Fisher and made some other great plays to get the team in position for Ryan Longwell to kick that game-winning field goal.

    Looking at the offense, I think the Packers are on to something here. The offensive line continued to prove that they are one of the best lines in the NFL. They grind the defensive line up and protect Brett Favre against countless blitzes and stunts.

    I also want to talk about a player who I think all of you need to vote for on those Pro Bowl ballots, and that's Javon Walker. This young man has stepped his game up and is now one of the top receivers in the entire league. He's gaining a lot of yards and making big plays every week.

    I think he and Terrell Owens are the biggest impact receivers in the entire NFL. The way Javon goes up and gets the ball and has the speed and the quickness and toughness to find the end zone, I just find that outstanding.

    Bubba Franks made a great catch in the end zone. It's always good to see the Packers take advantage of him as a big target in the red zone who runs very good routes. David Martin also had a long catch along the sideline that proves his versatility in this offense.

    I think the offense is really starting to find a balance. If they have to get into shootouts, they can win the shootouts. If they get into a situation where they have to run the ball to protect a lead, they can do that too. Whatever is necessary, this offense is capable of getting it done.

    One thing - just about the only thing - that has disappointed me about the offense has been the number of fumbles that they have given up. The Packers are -11 in the turnover ratio, and there have been way too many fumbles. If the Packers don't turn the ball over, they will be a very difficult team to beat down the stretch.

    Defensively, it seems to me like the Packers have to get their continuity together and get the scheme in perspective. Daunte Culpepper is one of the hottest quarterbacks in the league, and he showed why on Sunday.

    There were some positive signs that I took away from the defense's performance, though.

    KGB, like I've said before, is another one of those second half of the season guys. He had two sacks against the Vikings and possibly could have had four, but Dorsey and McKinnie, the two tackles, kept grabbing and holding him. Kabeer also played very well against the run.

    Cullen Jenkins also showed some great explosion on his sack breaking through the middle of the line.

    Bhawoh Jue had a possible interception that could have put the game away without all of the last-minute heroics, but I thought it was good that he was in position to make the play.

    One thing that concerned me on defense was that there were so many times that the Vikings had a receiver come wide open in the middle of the field.

    Another real concern I have - probably my biggest concern with the defense right now - is the third-and-long situations. I know you guys have the same concern from reading all of your e-mails.

    Whenever it's third and nine-or-more, teams have been able to convert those plays, and that's something that has got to get fixed. I think the defense needs to get more aggressive on those downs and put the guys in the position to make the plays.

    I'm looking for one of the guys to step up here in the second half of the season and put that to rest. Giving up big plays on third- and fourth-and-long will make you lose games that you should win.

    I also think the tackling in the red zone must improve, and just like everyone has said, this team is going to have to cause more turnovers to help out the offense. They've got to strip the ball and intercept passes to put the offense working with a short field.

    To think about some players of the game, I would have to give co-offensive player of the game awards to William Henderson and Brett Favre.

    Henderson blocked well all day, caught a touchdown pass, and then went on special teams and made the tackle on the kickoff. This guy is playing like he's 23, not 33 like his driver's license would tell you. He catches passes and jumps over tacklers, and then goes back to the huddle and pancakes defenders when he's throwing blocks for Ahman Green.

    I don't even have to say what a great job Brett did, throwing four touchdown passes and keeping the offense going for another big game.

    Defensively, Kabeer is the player of the game for his performance. He took over the game at one point, and that's what it's going to take for the rest of the season.

    On special teams, I have to give a game ball to Ben Steele for getting that fumble recovery that he probably shouldn't have gotten. He wrestled the ball away from four Vikings on that play and set up that big field goal at the end.

    The concerns I've pointed out are being fixed as we speak. The Packers are going on the road next week, and they're going to have to step up defensively against a good, young Houston Texans team.
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    [size=18px]Here is the REAL ARTICLE[/size]

    Posted on Tue, Nov. 16, 2004
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    Owner says fumble call should have gone their way[/size]

    BY SEAN JENSEN

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    Vikings owner Red McCombs is curious to see how the NFL responds to the controversial fumble in the final 90 seconds of Sunday's loss to the Green Bay Packers.

    At the end of a long kickoff, Vikings cornerback Antoine Winfield forced a fumble, and teammate Derek Ross appeared to be the first to cover the football. Even after he said he emerged from the pile with the ball, the officiating crew awarded possession to the Packers, who capped the drive with a 33-yard, game-winning field goal.

    "We had it. The officials can cook that over 10,000 ways," McCombs said. "The pictures showed who had the fumble. That was so obvious to everyone in the world, except the guy in the white hat."

    McCombs was referring to referee Ron Winter, who joined the NFL in 1995 and became a referee in 1998.

    The Vikings are expected to send film of the fumble — as well as other questionable calls — to Mike Pereira, the NFL's director of officiating, for a review. But an NFL spokesman declined to comment on the play, and he added that clarifications from the league to teams are confidential.

    After the game, Tice said an official told him that the fumble was awarded to the Packers because of the dual possession rule. According to Rule 8, Section 4 of the NFL rule book, "When a backward pass or fumble is a simultaneous or hidden ball recovered by two opposing players, the ball is awarded to the team making the pass or fumble."

    McCombs said his team should expect such plays in Green Bay.

    "When you go into Lambeau Field, you have to beat the Packers on the field, you have the beat the Packers of yesterday and all the lore, and beat 85,000 cheeseheads," McCombs said. "Every team that goes in there knows that. So I don't think that was any big surprise.

    "We'd love to get all the calls right, and we'd love to even get a call in our favor," he added. "But when it was over, calls didn't cost us the game, fans didn't cost us the game, we cost ourselves the game."

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    Butler was talking about theViking linemen holding KGB yet he failed to mention that the DB's of GB held the Viking recievers the whole game!
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    "ADubya26" wrote:
    could you copy and paste the article or something?
    I'm sorry. The link worked for me. Thought it would work for everyone else.

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    "dan3ski" wrote:
    Butler was talking about theViking linemen holding KGB yet he failed to mention that the DB's of GB held the Viking recievers the whole game!
    Well, of course. Did you expect anyone in GB to admit to wrong doing? We are the evil Vikings!!! We play cheap, and the "blown" calls are actually the Officials way of rewarding the Packers for being victims of our evil.

    Or..

    The Packers blew the Officials at halftime and that was the pay back.

    You decide.

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    Yeah that really is true about going into Lambeau Field. I mean maybe I just dont pay attention, but do we get any home cooking at the Dome? Maybe Im biased, but it seems like most places call a fair game for the most part, and if the crowd really sways the refs, we need to start being heard in the stands!

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