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    I don't have much to add to this discussion that hasn't already been mentioned -- we all have our strong opinions and will continue to debate the individual merits of the usual suspects in personnel, from players to coaches. But I did want to offer some thoughts:

    Like all of you I was beside myself with disappointment last night. What happened with Webb was disgusting and embarrassing. And why oh why did this have to happen against the Packers, of all teams??? In one week we went from having one of the most memorable games, in recent history, against the Packers, to one of the most terrible games against them. They always seem to get the last laugh with us. Like the Favre years. Their golden boy came to our side (whether you liked it or not -- I learned to embrace it) and had the best season of his career. We swept the Pack and would have made it to the Super Bowl if it wasn't for dirty play by the Saints (and, maybe, that 12 men on the field penalty). But then, in 2010-11, the wheels fell off and, to add insult to injury, Green Bay goes and wins the Super Bowl. I hate Green Bay and their ugly ass uniforms and stupid name.

    However, even though its frustrating being a Vikings fan, I really enjoyed this season. I mean if it was far better than most of us expected how can it be worse right now? I know some think 10-6 was a fluke but not me. We beat some really good teams this year. This team showed it has talent and, while I agree we have some critical issues which need to be addressed, I think we are looking fairly good going forwards. We want a Super Bowl win. We deserve a Super Bowl win for the years and years and years we've remained faithful. I mean damn, I just want one before I die and I'm "only" 43 -- I hope we can get one for some of the old timers around here who may not have as much time on their side!

    So here's to the Vikings and here's to what was a fun season for me. And here's to all of you at PurplePride.org. I'm glad I found this place as its lonely being a Vikes fan in California. I know its easy to get depressed but hey, it could be worse, at least we weren't born Cleveland Browns fans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Well its been a good season. I didn't feel helpless but this game probably cost Peterson the MVP award.
    Just wanted to end the year on a couple of notes

    1. Spielman needs to get his head out of hit butt or hit the door. We are pathetic on offense and we need a complete revamping of our Offense. Two WRs need to be brought in. 1 drafted, 1 signed. I am not talking about the Donny Avery type either. I am talking Jennings, Bowe etc. We cannot compete without being able to score. Too many games we expect the defense to play at a Hall of Fame level while the offense limps to the win. We need to have a team that the Offense can cover for the defense and vice versa.

    2. Cutting Sage was a mistake, I said it then and I say it now. I never asked for Joe Webb and I knew he would never be an NFL QB. I hope those calling for Webb will never do so again. Good or bad Ponder is our QB for now. I have accepted that but since an upgrade won't be sought, we need to present a solid backup. Jason Campbell has my vote although, I think he will outplay Ponder.

    3. As much as I like Allen, he has to go. He has lost a step and is not a dominant force. Ask yourself, when was the last time you saw him beat a guy. 99% of the sacks I see him get is from a play where the QB gets flushed and he falls into Allen's lap. The guy is just not dominant. His last true sack was from the fight he got his nose opened. Trade the guy and move on. Teams are playing him 1 on 1 and he is not winning..... on 2nd thought....he was playing with an injury this year so who knows.

    4. Rogers has no fear of the Tampa 2... None... it's a defense that simply does not work against him. We need to play him differently. I'm not sure what, but we need to treat him like teams treated Vick and others and design a defense to use strictly when we play him. He loves the tampa and eats it up.

    5. Good year but I am heart broken, another year without a title. Will I ever see one?

    Just to let you know ... the MVP award is voted on after the regular season and BEFORE the postseason. This game would not affect it one way or the other.

    I agree with the assessment on the Tampa 2 for sure. I am not a fan and I think QBs like Rodgers will continue to torch it.

    Cutting Sage was a massive mistake. Not having a solid veteran backup bit us in our ass big time here. I think Sage would have been considerably better than Webb in this game. Though neither is a great option obviously. But it might have made the game more competitive.

    I disagree on Allen. He is still a very good defensive end. I mean, if we can get a solid offer for him in a trade fine. But, I doubt we get more than a third round pick, and he is better than that for sure.

    And we certainly need to figure out how to score points in bunches. You have to be able to do that in the NFL period. Not all the time, but at least some times you have to be able to drop 40 on people out of nowhere. I am not anti-Ponder, but we definitely need more weapons in the passing game whether at QB or WR to see where we are.

    Hopefully, many of these things will be addressed in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post

    Cutting Sage was a massive mistake. Not having a solid veteran backup bit us in our ass big time here. I think Sage would have been considerably better than Webb in this game. Though neither is a great option obviously. But it might have made the game more competitive.
    So many people are saying that now, yet how many were saying it in the "Ponder questionable for game" thread or in the "Ponder Out Tonight VS Packers" thread before the game began?

    The answer is zero.

    They are only saying it in hindsight. If they truly believe Sage shouldn't have been cut then they need to lay that blame solely on Spielman, for he is the one that cut him.
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    The Vikings exceeded expectations this year and made the playoffs so I'm happy overall. We won 7 more games this year than last. We were in the playoffs therefore we deserved being in the playoffs, though we didn't necessarily play that way. I'm very disappointed, though not surprised, at the result Saturday. That being said, this team has so many flaws it will be difficult to get them fixed next year. Green Bay had a pretty easy go of it with Webb at QB- I think they played 11 in the box all night! We will need to get much better on defense to beat a Rogers led Packer team- we may hate to admit it but the guy is damn good, top three in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    So many people are saying that now, yet how many were saying it in the "Ponder questionable for game" thread or in the "Ponder Out Tonight VS Packers" thread before the game began?

    The answer is zero.

    They are only saying it in hindsight. If they truly believe Sage shouldn't have been cut then they need to lay that blame solely on Spielman, for he is the one that cut him.
    I am OK with putting the blame for cutting Sage on Spielman. Or to be more accurate, I am OK with putting the blame for not having a better backup in place than Spielman. Whether or not Sage would have been the best way to go is questionable, although in hindsight it certainly would have been better than Webb.

    I have been very vocal in my praise of Speilman for the excellent draft. It is only fair that I am critical of his mistakes in FA, and there have been many. I like the youth movement he is working towards, but I hope for a better Free Agency this year than last.
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    One thing that I think is apparent after the playoff loss...

    People who did not like Spielman before will blame Spielman for not having a better option at backup QB.

    People who did not like Ponder before will blame Ponder for not being able to play.

    People who did not like Webb before will blame Webb for putting in the worst QB performance in postseason history.

    And so on and so on... Don't worry PP.O faithful - whoever you have predetermined to hate and complain about, I am sure there is a way you can blame this loss on them too.

    It sucks losing in the playoffs, even more so when it is to a divisional rival and it is an ass kicking. But don't let the negativity overshadow all of the positives from this season. We do still have a long way to go, but we made bigger strides than even I thought possible this season. If we can have another great draft like last year, and not crap the bed in Free Agency again like last year, then I think we will continue to build on our success this year.

    Skol Vikings!
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    Sage is not a solid veteran backup. 12 career starts, hasn't thrown an nfl pass since 2008. No other team in the league picked him up.
    Yes we need a solid backup(veteran or not), but there is no reason to believe Sage is that.

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    I was against cutting Sage at the time, and I've never felt Webb was a legitimate QB option. Mostly because I thought we needed someone on the roster with a little NFL experience. However, I highly doubt Sage would have given us a reasonable chance of winning against GB. It would have taken a herculean effort by Ponder to win that game in GB. A broken Ponder was useless, so Webb has to be the guy you put in. He failed, time to move on. A backup needs to be able to come in and be effective even in a limited role or he has no place on the roster.

    Going into next year, I would expect (hope) that Webb will no longer be on the roster, at least as a QB. We need to either bring in a vet to compete with Ponder or draft a guy that can compete for the starting position. Our QB play has to move up a few notches if we are going to maintain momentum from this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    One thing that I think is apparent after the playoff loss...

    People who did not like Spielman before will blame Spielman for not having a better option at backup QB.

    People who did not like Ponder before will blame Ponder for not being able to play.

    People who did not like Webb before will blame Webb for putting in the worst QB performance in postseason history.

    And so on and so on... Don't worry PP.O faithful - whoever you have predetermined to hate and complain about, I am sure there is a way you can blame this loss on them too.

    It sucks losing in the playoffs, even more so when it is to a divisional rival and it is an ass kicking. But don't let the negativity overshadow all of the positives from this season. We do still have a long way to go, but we made bigger strides than even I thought possible this season. If we can have another great draft like last year, and not crap the bed in Free Agency again like last year, then I think we will continue to build on our success this year.

    Skol Vikings!
    I think I will blame you for the loss since you are about the only person I've seen who hasn't been blamed !
    All these people being blamed have also conrtibuted in one way another to reaching the play offs. Perhaps not so much Webb, but this group definately over achieved.
    It should be obvious by now that Webb is not going to develop into an NFL qb.
    That acknowledgement by Frazier and Spielman should help define and upgrade the qb position.
    Time to bring in a qb and finally have a legitimate qb competition.

    We learned that this team is pretty darn good when it has a little better qb play.
    I look forward with optomism.
    This off season will be much better than last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    One thing that I think is apparent after the playoff loss...

    People who did not like Spielman before will blame Spielman for not having a better option at backup QB.

    People who did not like Ponder before will blame Ponder for not being able to play.

    People who did not like Webb before will blame Webb for putting in the worst QB performance in postseason history.

    And so on and so on... Don't worry PP.O faithful - whoever you have predetermined to hate and complain about, I am sure there is a way you can blame this loss on them too.
    I still blame Smoot.

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