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    Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    [size=13pt]Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense[/size]

    Posted: August 30, 2007

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    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- The Minnesota Vikings' recognize their challenge for this season: score more points and liven up a lagging fan base.


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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense


    We have a strong running game, and a stout defense, which will afford time for Tarvaris and the recieving core to come around. Contrary to many sportwriters beliefs, we are going to be a exciting offense this year. Much better than the so called experts predict.

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    so exciting we can very easily catch some teams off guard. Travaris just need the running game to work and really just try and mix up the playcalling but I think that will happend with Bevell now calling the plays.
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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    Wow, can't disagree more. Look at the game last night. The first play of the game, way back in our own territory, was a slow, inaccurate throw into the flat that was almost picked off the other way for 6. What did this show us ?:

    - Terrible play calling
    - A QB whose passes are thrown late, and also not that accurate.

    I hope you guys don't wait too long for this to "come around". I see this being a train wreck. The play calling last night was just bad. Tarvaris is not an accurate QB. And you need accuracy in the NFL. All I saw were badly thrown balls.

    You guys have it backwards (sorry). It is not the the running game will "help out" the passing game. The bad passing game will doom the running game, as defenses stack the box and stuff our very, very predictable "off tackle left" running plays.

    This could get ugly.

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Wow, can't disagree more. Look at the game last night. The first play of the game, way back in our own territory, was a slow, inaccurate throw into the flat that was almost picked off the other way for 6. What did this show us ?:

    - Terrible play calling
    - A QB whose passes are thrown late, and also not that accurate.

    I hope you guys don't wait too long for this to "come around". I see this being a train wreck. The play calling last night was just bad. Tarvaris is not an accurate QB. And you need accuracy in the NFL. All I saw were badly thrown balls.

    You guys have it backwards (sorry). It is not the the running game will "help out" the passing game. The bad passing game will doom the running game, as defenses stack the box and stuff our very, very predictable "off tackle left" running plays.

    This could get ugly.
    Holy crap you sound like a broken record.
    I clicked in three threads in the Vikings Forum, and you have post the exact same thing in EVERY one.

    OK, I'll humor you, since you want to talk about TJ's performance last night so badly.

    TJack threw five times last night.
    Of those five throws, one was caught for 13 yards, one was under thrown and should have been picked off, two were off target, and the one to the flats was telegraphed the entire time, and the only reason it wasn't a pick 6 was because it was actually a well thrown ball (just a bad decision).

    And yes, the play calling last night was bad.
    It was almost like they weren't calling plays to win, but rather to evaluate players at different positions.
    Wait, a minute... do you think I am on to something there?
    When you have positions up for grabs, it helps when you call plays that actually involve that position. BTW, despite your assertion of our predictable "off tackle left" play calling, we actually didn't run left the most.
    We ran up the middle 15 times, left 8 and right 8.
    Also, if you expected anything other than vanilla play calling in preseason, you are a fool.
    It is preseason.

    On the other side of the coin, I am not deluded enough to believe that our offense can be termed "exciting" this season by any means.
    (Sorry Marrdro, I take the purple glasses off when the regualr season gets here.
    As I always say, the offseason is the time for optimism. )
    But while I don't expect them to be exciting, I do expect them to be average.
    And that is all it is going to take for us to win games this year.

    If we had scored just one more TD per game last year, we would have been solidly in the playoffs.
    Our defense looks to be just as good, if not better.
    Our special teams has taken a step back, but I expect to see a lot more of our starters on coverage teams during the season.
    That just leaves us to the offense.
    Our O this year isn't the Colts, to be sure.
    But is it at least one TD per game better than last year?
    I tend to think so.
    TJack, even as raw as he is, is an upgrade over BJ.
    Our WR corp isn't the best in the league, but they are also easily an upgrade over last year.
    Running back, our shining point last year? Also upgraded with the addition of this year's favorite for ROY.

    The only areas that I cannot say have improved for certain are the OL and the TE.
    Considering Wiggy did nothing for us last year, Shank doesn't have to do much to be an improvement.
    The OL is virtually the same, and in theory have gelled and gotten better at running the scheme as a unit, but I will believe it when I see it.

    So that means we have upgraded QB, WR, and RB, and kept TE and OL the same.
    Obviously this year's offense is an upgrade over last years.
    Hopefully they will be upgraded enough to keep us competitive.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Wow, can't disagree more. Look at the game last night. The first play of the game, way back in our own territory, was a slow, inaccurate throw into the flat that was almost picked off the other way for 6. What did this show us ?:

    - Terrible play calling
    - A QB whose passes are thrown late, and also not that accurate.

    I hope you guys don't wait too long for this to "come around". I see this being a train wreck. The play calling last night was just bad. Tarvaris is not an accurate QB. And you need accuracy in the NFL. All I saw were badly thrown balls.

    You guys have it backwards (sorry). It is not the the running game will "help out" the passing game. The bad passing game will doom the running game, as defenses stack the box and stuff our very, very predictable "off tackle left" running plays.

    This could get ugly.
    Great post.Way to be optimistic

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Wow, can't disagree more. Look at the game last night. The first play of the game, way back in our own territory, was a slow, inaccurate throw into the flat that was almost picked off the other way for 6. What did this show us ?:

    - Terrible play calling
    - A QB whose passes are thrown late, and also not that accurate.

    I hope you guys don't wait too long for this to "come around". I see this being a train wreck. The play calling last night was just bad. Tarvaris is not an accurate QB. And you need accuracy in the NFL. All I saw were badly thrown balls.

    You guys have it backwards (sorry). It is not the the running game will "help out" the passing game. The bad passing game will doom the running game, as defenses stack the box and stuff our very, very predictable "off tackle left" running plays.

    This could get ugly.
    Holy crap you sound like a broken record.
    I clicked in three threads in the Vikings Forum, and you have post the exact same thing in EVERY one.

    OK, I'll humor you, since you want to talk about TJ's performance last night so badly.

    TJack threw five times last night.
    Of those five throws, one was caught for 13 yards, one was under thrown and should have been picked off, two were off target, and the one to the flats was telegraphed the entire time, and the only reason it wasn't a pick 6 was because it was actually a well thrown ball (just a bad decision).

    And yes, the play calling last night was bad.
    It was almost like they weren't calling plays to win, but rather to evaluate players at different positions.
    Wait, a minute... do you think I am on to something there?
    When you have positions up for grabs, it helps when you call plays that actually involve that position. BTW, despite your assertion of our predictable "off tackle left" play calling, we actually didn't run left the most.
    We ran up the middle 15 times, left 8 and right 8.
    Also, if you expected anything other than vanilla play calling in preseason, you are a fool.
    It is preseason.

    On the other side of the coin, I am not deluded enough to believe that our offense can be termed "exciting" this season by any means.
    (Sorry Marrdro, I take the purple glasses off when the regualr season gets here.
    As I always say, the offseason is the time for optimism. )
    But while I don't expect them to be exciting, I do expect them to be average.
    And that is all it is going to take for us to win games this year.

    If we had scored just one more TD per game last year, we would have been solidly in the playoffs.
    Our defense looks to be just as good, if not better.
    Our special teams has taken a step back, but I expect to see a lot more of our starters on coverage teams during the season.
    That just leaves us to the offense.
    Our O this year isn't the Colts, to be sure.
    But is it at least one TD per game better than last year?
    I tend to think so.
    TJack, even as raw as he is, is an upgrade over BJ.
    Our WR corp isn't the best in the league, but they are also easily an upgrade over last year.
    Running back, our shining point last year? Also upgraded with the addition of this year's favorite for ROY.

    The only areas that I cannot say have improved for certain are the OL and the TE.
    Considering Wiggy did nothing for us last year, Shank doesn't have to do much to be an improvement.
    The OL is virtually the same, and in theory have gelled and gotten better at running the scheme as a unit, but I will believe it when I see it.

    So that means we have upgraded QB, WR, and RB, and kept TE and OL the same.
    Obviously this year's offense is an upgrade over last years.
    Hopefully they will be upgraded enough to keep us competitive.
    It makes TOTAL SENSE that the play calling was vanilla...SINCE WE PLAY THE COWTURDS AGAIN THIS SEASON!!!


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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    I hate when people come on here and rip the Vikes, even after a big win. This offense is going to be better than a lot of people think it will be, just you wait.

    The Vikes' defense is strong enough to keep us in most games, and the offense will mix it up. It wasn't a bad pre-season game at all and it leaves me optimistic going into the season that we will be a lot better than some of the so called experts think.

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Wow, can't disagree more. Look at the game last night. The first play of the game, way back in our own territory, was a slow, inaccurate throw into the flat that was almost picked off the other way for 6. What did this show us ?:

    - Terrible play calling
    - A QB whose passes are thrown late, and also not that accurate.

    I hope you guys don't wait too long for this to "come around". I see this being a train wreck. The play calling last night was just bad. Tarvaris is not an accurate QB. And you need accuracy in the NFL. All I saw were badly thrown balls.

    You guys have it backwards (sorry). It is not the the running game will "help out" the passing game. The bad passing game will doom the running game, as defenses stack the box and stuff our very, very predictable "off tackle left" running plays.

    This could get ugly.
    Holy crap you sound like a broken record.
    I clicked in three threads in the Vikings Forum, and you have post the exact same thing in EVERY one.

    OK, I'll humor you, since you want to talk about TJ's performance last night so badly.

    TJack threw five times last night.
    Of those five throws, one was caught for 13 yards, one was under thrown and should have been picked off, two were off target, and the one to the flats was telegraphed the entire time, and the only reason it wasn't a pick 6 was because it was actually a well thrown ball (just a bad decision).

    And yes, the play calling last night was bad.
    It was almost like they weren't calling plays to win, but rather to evaluate players at different positions.
    Wait, a minute... do you think I am on to something there?
    When you have positions up for grabs, it helps when you call plays that actually involve that position. BTW, despite your assertion of our predictable "off tackle left" play calling, we actually didn't run left the most.
    We ran up the middle 15 times, left 8 and right 8.
    Also, if you expected anything other than vanilla play calling in preseason, you are a fool.
    It is preseason.


    On the other side of the coin, I am not deluded enough to believe that our offense can be termed "exciting" this season by any means.
    (Sorry Marrdro, I take the purple glasses off when the regualr season gets here.
    As I always say, the offseason is the time for optimism. )
    But while I don't expect them to be exciting, I do expect them to be average.
    And that is all it is going to take for us to win games this year.

    If we had scored just one more TD per game last year, we would have been solidly in the playoffs.
    Our defense looks to be just as good, if not better.
    Our special teams has taken a step back, but I expect to see a lot more of our starters on coverage teams during the season.
    That just leaves us to the offense.
    Our O this year isn't the Colts, to be sure.
    But is it at least one TD per game better than last year?
    I tend to think so.
    TJack, even as raw as he is, is an upgrade over BJ.
    Our WR corp isn't the best in the league, but they are also easily an upgrade over last year.
    Running back, our shining point last year? Also upgraded with the addition of this year's favorite for ROY.

    The only areas that I cannot say have improved for certain are the OL and the TE.
    Considering Wiggy did nothing for us last year, Shank doesn't have to do much to be an improvement.
    The OL is virtually the same, and in theory have gelled and gotten better at running the scheme as a unit, but I will believe it when I see it.

    So that means we have upgraded QB, WR, and RB, and kept TE and OL the same.
    Obviously this year's offense is an upgrade over last years.
    Hopefully they will be upgraded enough to keep us competitive.
    I thought all preseason games were for evaluating the players & a lot of the play calling would be vanilla.

    But Ferguson said something in a post game interview that caught my attention. He was asked if he had any trouble picking up the Vikings playbook & learning it in just a short week.

    His reply was "NO" & said it was a very vanilla playbook & was very easy to learn because it contained vanilla plays he was already familiar with.

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    Re: Vikings turn to Tarvaris, seek life on offense

    BTW, from now on, I am not "anti-Tarvaris".

    I am "pro-Holcomb".
    ;D

    I envision a wonderful season in which we can win 10 games, if we install Holcomb as QB and play a "ball control" offense.

    Anyone who questions my logic will be classified as a "pessimist".

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