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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
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    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=39937.msg678312#msg678312 date=1195833144]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
    ....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.
    I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
    His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.
    That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.
    Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

    There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.
    http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

    I don't know.
    I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...
    I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
    title.

    Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
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    I did say almost.

    So strike the first sentence and replace the "His" with "Their" and "Head coach" with "NFL team" and I will take it ;D
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    That's better. I do believe though that he seems overwelmed at times. Not so much in aiding with the play calling, but trying to be involved with just about every aspect of the game/team. Let the other coaches coach & the coordinators coordinate. He would have better managability of the team, IMO, & more time to analyze things gone wrong, things gone right & make corrections & adjustments along with the rest of the staff.

    Although he stated he will let Bevell take over some of the play duties, we really have no idea just how much involvement Childress has or doesn't have. All we can do is speculate.

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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39937.msg678454#msg678454 date=1195857359]
    [quote author=kevoncox link=topic=39937.msg678312#msg678312 date=1195833144]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
    ....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.
    I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
    His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.
    That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.
    Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

    There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.
    http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

    I don't know.
    I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...
    I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
    title.

    Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
    [/quote]

    I did say almost.

    So strike the first sentence and replace the "His" with "Their" and "Head coach" with "NFL team" and I will take it ;D
    [/quote]

    That's better. I do believe though that he seems overwelmed at times. Not so much in aiding with the play calling, but trying to be involved with just about every aspect of the game/team. Let the other coaches coach & the coordinators coordinate. He would have better managability of the team, IMO, & more time to analyze things gone wrong, things gone right & make corrections & adjustments along with the rest of the staff.

    Although he stated he will let Bevell take over some of the play duties, we really have no idea just how much involvement Childress has or doesn't have. All we can do is speculate.
    [/quote]


    It seems to me that sometimes owners get caught up in hiring offensive or defensive "Geniuses" instead of hiring good managers like they should. I would much rather see a head coach who knows less about the X and O but who knows how to identify good coordinators and position coaches and lets them do their jobs.

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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:

    It seems to me that sometimes owners get caught up in hiring offensive or defensive "Geniuses" instead of hiring good managers like they should. I would much rather see a head coach who knows less about the X and O but who knows how to identify good coordinators and position coaches and lets them do their jobs.
    Good point, I agree 100%. A real manager of people (and a good communicator) is so much more important as a HC than X's and O's. As an example, wherever Parcells has been successful, he has had excellent coordinators/coaches.
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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

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    "UffDaVikes" wrote:

    It seems to me that sometimes owners get caught up in hiring offensive or defensive "Geniuses" instead of hiring good managers like they should. I would much rather see a head coach who knows less about the X and O but who knows how to identify good coordinators and position coaches and lets them do their jobs.
    Good point, I agree 100%. A real manager of people (and a good communicator) is so much more important as a HC than X's and O's. As an example, wherever Parcells has been successful, he has had excellent coordinators/coaches.
    I disagree... people are NOT a competitive advantage that is sustainable... if a team becomes successful simply because they have the best offensive and defense coordinators then those people quickly become head coaches elsewhere and are constantly needing to be replaced.
    To be successful long term you need a successful "system" which anyone can be plugged in to.
    With the scheme of the NFL I believe that system is set by a knowledge head coach.
    Not everyone is the next Billicheck but I think he has it right by creating a system of both coaches and players that allow him to be successful year after year even with high turnover that success breeds.
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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

    "VikingMike" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:

    It seems to me that sometimes owners get caught up in hiring offensive or defensive "Geniuses" instead of hiring good managers like they should. I would much rather see a head coach who knows less about the X and O but who knows how to identify good coordinators and position coaches and lets them do their jobs.
    Good point, I agree 100%. A real manager of people (and a good communicator) is so much more important as a HC than X's and O's. As an example, wherever Parcells has been successful, he has had excellent coordinators/coaches.
    Childress brought in Tomlin and The RB coach. Remind me where Tomlin is. He went for L Fraiser to replace Tomlin and S. Stewart for the WR. Seems to me like he knows a thing or two about Co-ordinators..
    OK I know Bevell is the OC but gain who knows Chilly's mindset on that?

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    Re: Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:

    It seems to me that sometimes owners get caught up in hiring offensive or defensive "Geniuses" instead of hiring good managers like they should. I would much rather see a head coach who knows less about the X and O but who knows how to identify good coordinators and position coaches and lets them do their jobs.
    Good point, I agree 100%. A real manager of people (and a good communicator) is so much more important as a HC than X's and O's. As an example, wherever Parcells has been successful, he has had excellent coordinators/coaches.
    I disagree... people are NOT a competitive advantage that is sustainable... if a team becomes successful simply because they have the best offensive and defense coordinators then those people quickly become head coaches elsewhere and are constantly needing to be replaced.
    To be successful long term you need a successful "system" which anyone can be plugged in to.
    With the scheme of the NFL I believe that system is set by a knowledge head coach.
    Not everyone is the next Billicheck but I think he has it right by creating a system of both coaches and players that allow him to be successful year after year even with high turnover that success breeds.
    I agree. It starts with a HC who knows what he wants and instills a system. He in turn identifies the People he needs to run the system and thats why when parts of the system are lost others are brought in and the machine keeps running.

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