Vikings': Trick plays not just pulled from a hat

**Vikes_King** · 11-23-2007, 05:58 PM

"singersp" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.

I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.

That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.

Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

I don't know.
I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...

I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
title.

Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
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well.. with our offense this season, we've had a lot more 10+ yard rushing plays than we've had 10+ yard passing plays.
I know thats not exactly backing up the fact that he's a "great offensive minded coach" but when we dont have the QB's to get it done, you dont always have the choices available to you

(no, i'm not defending Chiller btw)

**BBQ Platypus** · 11-23-2007, 06:23 PM

We'll see what we think of Childress after facing a REAL defense this week.
Our offense hasn't shown us much against WINNING teams this year.

**COJOMAY** · 11-23-2007, 06:35 PM

"BBQ" wrote:

We'll see what we think of Childress after facing a REAL defense this week.
Our offense hasn't shown us much against WINNING teams this year.

Chilly is in a "no win" situation this week. If he loses, fans will be calling for his head even though most people expect the Giants to win.
If he plays Peterson and he gets hurt, they will be calling for his head.
If he doesn't play Peterson and Peterson could have played they will be calling for his head.
I don't want to be Chilly this week unless he wins! (Which I doubt)

**NodakPaul** · 11-23-2007, 07:20 PM

"singersp" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.

I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.

That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.

Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

I don't know.
I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...

I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
title.

Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
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I wasn't referring to just the trick plays.
I was talking about the opening drives in general, which have scored more times than not under Childress's coaching.
I think when analyzing the games on paper and developing an initial game plan, he is very good.
But he can not make in game adjustments, hence your run play example.
As kevincox said, His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.

**singersp** · 11-23-2007, 07:42 PM

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=39937.msg678312#msg678312 date=1195833144]
[quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.

I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.

That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.

Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

I don't know.
I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...

I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
title.

Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
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I wasn't referring to just the trick plays.
I was talking about the opening drives in general, which have scored more times than not under Childress's coaching.
I think when analyzing the games on paper and developing an initial game plan, he is very good.
But he can not make in game adjustments, hence your run play example.
As kevincox said, His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.
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The only part I'm objecting with is the "Great offensive mind" part. The plays after the 15 scripted plays are between Childress & Bevell. I don't think Childress is calling all the plays, so I really can't agree that he's overwelmed by them.

Keep in mind those scripted plays are decided on a night or two before the game and is done by commitee. Not just Childress & Bevell.

A "Great offensive mind" would be able to make adjustments on the fly & call the proper plays for the proper situation. That is what
great offensive minds do.

Whether that is Childress, Bevell or the two of them together calling the plays, I just haven't seen enough good calls to deem either one of them "Great offensive minds".

**VikingMike** · 11-23-2007, 07:43 PM

Trick plays are only good once in a game, maybe once over a few games. The trick is when to use the play to get maximum effectiveness.

Although trick plays might help open to up the running game, it takes a consistent attack to be successful. I personally would like to see more quick in-routes where TJack can unload the ball fast enough where he isn't rushed and doesn't have to make as many decisions. This will help build some confidence.

**BleedinPandG** · 11-23-2007, 08:08 PM

"VikingMike" wrote:

Trick plays are only good once in a game, maybe once over a few games. The trick is when to use the play to get maximum effectiveness.

Although trick plays might help open to up the running game, it takes a consistent attack to be successful. I personally would like to see more quick in-routes where TJack can unload the ball fast enough where he isn't rushed and doesn't have to make as many decisions. This will help build some confidence.

He did those at the start of the season, the WRs dropped em.
TJack has a cannon for an arm much like Favre, I'd expect he can get similar results from those types of throws.
I'm guessing we'll see those this week.
The Cowboys will be sitting on the button hooks, Vikes are going to have to turn it up a notch.
Last week built TJs confidence some and showed the accuracy, this week he has to make some real throws.

**Frostbite** · 11-23-2007, 08:45 PM

I honestly believe that the "Etch a Sketch" should become standard NFL tool for 2008. With all the artificial turf in the League it's become impossibe to draw out the trick plays on the ground. Childress should order one ASAP.

Trick Plays/Gadget plays.....Nice when they work....awful when they don't....and if you are forced into using them in every game something is missing in your regular offensive package. JMHO

Cheers! ;D

**Purple Floyd** · 11-23-2007, 10:29 PM

"singersp" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=Prophet link=topic=39937.msg678249#msg678249 date=1195826986]
....and all along I though Chilly was drawing up the gadget plays in a portable hand-held sandbox.

I belive that childress is a great offensive minded coach. His ability to gameplan the opening drive is impressive.
His inability to do squat after the opening drive shows me that he is overwhelmed by the play by play responsibilities of a head coach.

That is about perfect. I may have to borrow that for my sig line.

Or not perfect. There is a group of them that plan the opening drives, not just Childress. Bevell & Childress came up with the play in their weekly game planning session with the rest of the coaches.......

There was nothing usual, however, about the opening play that coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell decided to run against Oakland on Sunday.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1559497.html

I don't know.
I think that kevoncox may have hit the nail on the head with that one...

I don't agree. I got to give him credit along with Bevell for coming up with the play, but a trick play here & there isn't exactly enough for me to start crowning him as a "great offensive minded coach"
title.

Especially considering our 4-6 record & watching the rest of our offensive plays this year. We've had a lot of vanilla plays this year & a called run play on 3rd & 12 doesn't exactly scream "great minded" to me.
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I did say almost.

So strike the first sentence and replace the "His" with "Their" and "Head coach" with "NFL team" and I will take it ;D

**Potus2028** · 11-23-2007, 11:30 PM

"BleedinPandG" wrote:

"VikingMike" wrote:

Trick plays are only good once in a game, maybe once over a few games. The trick is when to use the play to get maximum effectiveness.

Although trick plays might help open to up the running game, it takes a consistent attack to be successful. I personally would like to see more quick in-routes where TJack can unload the ball fast enough where he isn't rushed and doesn't have to make as many decisions. This will help build some confidence.

He did those at the start of the season, the WRs dropped em.
TJack has a cannon for an arm much like Favre, I'd expect he can get similar results from those types of throws.
I'm guessing we'll see those this week.
The Cowboys will be sitting on the button hooks, Vikes are going to have to turn it up a notch.
Last week built TJs confidence some and showed the accuracy, this week he has to make some real throws.

No doubt... We can't let TJack hold onto the ball.

For the passing game we need:
-slants
-out routes
-SCREENS!!!!!!

i think the screen, if ran effectively, will be the key to passing in the first half.. that should slow up the pass rush for the second half.

And throw a trick play in.. if the steelies can do it, so can the vikes. besides, it'll make it more tempting for bill cowher to come over and take chillies job! jk jk