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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    Maybe he can be the official scapegoat for all losses this year, we need someone like that every year.
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".
    ;D
    I am not saying get rid of him.
    All I am saying, is he is under performing for what he is getting paid.
    Everyone will have some mistakes.
    Under utilized or not, he just seems to be a disappointment.
    If I was the QB I wouldn't want to throw to him, the crappy thing is he might be our best TE on the team.

    Do you think any teams are game planning for Shanc.
    Being able to get Rice and BB down field will help Shanc get some passes thrown his way.
    He needs to step it up a notch and perform.
    As far as this last fumble. IDC if it was a helmet shot to the ball.
    He has to tuck when he turns up field like that.
    He should be expecting contact.


    As far as him being the official scapegoat this season, I thought that he was last years scapegoat.
    It isn't fair to have him be that 2 years in a row. LOL!

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".

    ;D
    I am not saying get rid of him.
    All I am saying, is he is under performing for what he is getting paid.
    Everyone will have some mistakes.
    I'm not saying you did my friend. I give you more credit than that.
    I was kindof just genarlizing and was trying to poke several in the eye with my sarcastic whit.
    ;D

    Under utilized or not, he just seems to be a disappointment.
    If I was the QB I wouldn't want to throw to him, the crappy thing is he might be our best TE on the team.
    From a fans perspective I do think he is a bit of a disappointment, however, I am sure the team/coaches aren't quite as reactionary as we are.


    My guess is when they reviewed the tape from the Seahawks game the comments were, nice route, nice catch, nice hit by both defenders.
    To tell the truth, not many players would hold onto a ball after a smack like that from two sides.

    (Especially since the coaches haven't let any hitting go on in camp.
    ;D)

    Do you think any teams are game planning for Shanc.

    Yes I do to a certain extent.
    Truth of the matter is he runs a good route and gets open.
    Even in a limited role in the passing game we got to see some of that last year.

    Being able to get Rice and BB down field will help Shanc get some passes thrown his way.
    He needs to step it up a notch and perform.
    As far as this last fumble. IDC if it was a helmet shot to the ball.
    He has to tuck when he turns up field like that.
    He should be expecting contact.
    We saw alot of fumbles/drops/bobbles in the first game.
    I attribute that to rust and I attribute that rust to the lack of hitting/tackling in camp.

    As far as him being the official scapegoat this season, I thought that he was last years scapegoat.
    It isn't fair to have him be that 2 years in a row. LOL!
    If he keeps dropping them at a alarming rate (I contend he hasn't) then I will lump him in with the rest of the cats I criticize.
    You know me, I have no favorites when it comes to singling out players who aren't performing regardless of their star power.
    ;D
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    yet you stick up for those guys who underperform, or just straigt up don't perform, like chase Johnson and Shiancoe.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "hav0x" wrote:
    You guys are being a little rough on him. He had a fumble in a preseason game, so what, mistakes happen thats what preseason games are for. As long as he knows he screwed up and wants to fix it then let him try. I mean 1/2 of our team had fumbles in that game, you can't just single shank out. If he keeps fumbling in the regular season then you have every right to harp on him.
    Not really. It was Shank, Young, Bollinger, Booty, and Hicks who fumbled. Only one starter there.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    yet you stick up for those guys who underperform, or just straigt up don't perform, like chase Johnson and Shiancoe.
    I am a bit more patient than your casual fan.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "mblack76" wrote:
    To put things in perspective, how many DROPS did Shiancoe have last year?
    He only had 2.

    http://sports.aol.com/nfl-players/visanthe-shiancoe/6427

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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".
    ;D
    I am not saying get rid of him.
    All I am saying, is he is under performing for what he is getting paid.
    Everyone will have some mistakes.
    I'm not saying you did my friend. I give you more credit than that.
    I was kindof just genarlizing and was trying to poke several in the eye with my sarcastic whit.
    ;D

    Under utilized or not, he just seems to be a disappointment.
    If I was the QB I wouldn't want to throw to him, the crappy thing is he might be our best TE on the team.
    From a fans perspective I do think he is a bit of a disappointment, however, I am sure the team/coaches aren't quite as reactionary as we are.


    My guess is when they reviewed the tape from the Seahawks game the comments were, nice route, nice catch, nice hit by both defenders.
    To tell the truth, not many players would hold onto a ball after a smack like that from two sides.

    (Especially since the coaches haven't let any hitting go on in camp.
    ;D)

    Do you think any teams are game planning for Shanc.

    Yes I do to a certain extent.
    Truth of the matter is he runs a good route and gets open.
    Even in a limited role in the passing game we got to see some of that last year.


    Being able to get Rice and BB down field will help Shanc get some passes thrown his way.
    He needs to step it up a notch and perform.
    As far as this last fumble. IDC if it was a helmet shot to the ball.
    He has to tuck when he turns up field like that.
    He should be expecting contact.
    We saw alot of fumbles/drops/bobbles in the first game.
    I attribute that to rust and I attribute that rust to the lack of hitting/tackling in camp.

    As far as him being the official scapegoat this season, I thought that he was last years scapegoat.
    It isn't fair to have him be that 2 years in a row. LOL!
    If he keeps dropping them at a alarming rate (I contend he hasn't) then I will lump him in with the rest of the cats I criticize.
    You know me, I have no favorites when it comes to singling out players who aren't performing regardless of their star power.
    ;D
    Good post!

    I think he get open because other teams let him run free and want him to be the target because they know he will screw it up.

    BTW, I consider myself an eternal optimist, a glass half full kind of person.
    LOL!

    You are right about the coaches.
    If they aren't worried to the point of letting him go or benching him, he is the best at that position.
    But the sad part is, he is the best at that position right now.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    Shank needed to redeem himself from his problems of last year.
    The fumble wasn't the best start.
    What needed to happen is for the coach to call his number again or TJ to check down to him, so he had a chance to bounce back from it.
    I think that was the wrong move, they shouldn't have left him dwelling on the mistake.
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    He's just not a good TE... plain and simple.
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