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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "hav0x" wrote:
    You guys are being a little rough on him. He had a fumble in a preseason game, so what, mistakes happen thats what preseason games are for. As long as he knows he screwed up and wants to fix it then let him try. I mean 1/2 of our team had fumbles in that game, you can't just single shank out. If he keeps fumbling in the regular season then you have every right to harp on him.
    He had these problems last year also.
    This to me is a constant.
    If he does better, he will deserve some slack.

    At least he caught the ball this time so he could fumble it.
    It reminded me of the Det game last season.

    When he deserves slack, he will get it.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    Ill give him till the end of preseason, after that I will not shut up about how i want him off the team... unless he can start catching balls like we pay him to do.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    Watching the replay of his fumble, the ball did get sandwiched out by Seahawk helmets. I would expect almost anyone would have lost the ball on that kind of scenario. I am worried about how he's going to do this year, however. I thought he was a solid pick-up, but the signing price was way higher than his prior production would have justified. For the price, I would like to see something above 50 catches and 500 yards (along with solid blocking), or else hopefully the contract can be re-worked and we bring in some competition next season. There's a lot of football between now and then, and I will be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    It's bad because all you heard about Visanthe all off season is how hard he's worked and how much better him and Tarvaris have gotten , and after a pre season fumble everyone is going to write him off , I hope he can get it on track because the system we have in play is set up so a Tight End can get 40 - 50 catches .
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    2007 Minnesota Vikings 16 27 323 12.0 20.2 79 1 3 1 11 1
    2006 New York Giants 16 12 81 6.8 5.1 16 0 0 0 4 1
    2005 New York Giants 16 8 91 11.4 5.7 17 0 0 0 5 0
    2004 New York Giants 16 5 25 5.0 1.6 9 1 0 0 3 0
    2003 New York Giants 16 10 56 5.6 3.5 10 2 0 0 4 0
    TOTAL 80 62 576 9.3 7.2 79 4 3 1 27 2

    He did have the best year of his career last year. What did everyone think he was going from 81 yards to 1,000 overnight? Well I guess the Vikings did when they gave him that fat deal, but it was a little unrealistic.
    Yep! That's what some of them think. Fact is V-Shi (who was still overpaid IMO) had over 3 times the production he had in any year as a NYG.

    They complain that Childress didn't use his TE's enough last year & then they also complain that our TE's production is low.

    Guess what folks, if Childress isn't using his TE's, you can't expect a TE to have a productive season. It's simple math.

    These are the same type of people who expect big things from a player, but if we happen to trade two players or picks for him, they expect twice that much.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "singersp" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Krumb" wrote:
    It's bad because all you heard about Visanthe all off season is how hard he's worked and how much better him and Tarvaris have gotten , and after a pre season fumble everyone is going to write him off , I hope he can get it on track because the system we have in play is set up so a Tight End can get 40 - 50 catches .
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    2007 Minnesota Vikings 16 27 323 12.0 20.2 79 1 3 1 11 1
    2006 New York Giants 16 12 81 6.8 5.1 16 0 0 0 4 1
    2005 New York Giants 16 8 91 11.4 5.7 17 0 0 0 5 0
    2004 New York Giants 16 5 25 5.0 1.6 9 1 0 0 3 0
    2003 New York Giants 16 10 56 5.6 3.5 10 2 0 0 4 0
    TOTAL 80 62 576 9.3 7.2 79 4 3 1 27 2

    He did have the best year of his career last year. What did everyone think he was going from 81 yards to 1,000 overnight? Well I guess the Vikings did when they gave him that fat deal, but it was a little unrealistic.
    Yep! That's what some of them think. Fact is V-Shi (who was still overpaid IMO) had over 3 times the production he had in any year as a NYG.

    They complain that Childress didn't use his TE's enough last year & then they also complain that our TE's production is low.

    Guess what folks, if Childress isn't using his TE's, you can't expect a TE to have a productive season. It's simple math.

    These are the same type of people who expect big things from a player, but if we happen to trade two players or picks for him, they expect twice that much.
    You could use that argument if we signed him as a backup to one of the best TE's in the league here too but the reality is we brought him here and paid him to be the starting TE, not the backup like he was in NY so we should expect his numbers to be a whole lot higher that they were in NY.

    I would expect something similar to what we got from Taylor in his first year as our starter compared to his secondary role in Baltimore:























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    2006 Minnesota Vikings 15 15 303 1,216 4.0 95T 6 42 288 6.9
    2005 Baltimore Ravens 15 1 117 487 4.2 52 0 41 292 7.1
    2004 Baltimore Ravens 16 4 160 714 4.5 47 2 30 184 6.1
    2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 1 63 276 4.4 32 2 20 132 6.6
    2002 Baltimore Ravens 15 2 33 122 3.7 17 0 14 129 9.2


    That is the kind of increase that you would like to see from someone going from a reserve on one team to a starter on another team with a big pay increase.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Krumb" wrote:
    It's bad because all you heard about Visanthe all off season is how hard he's worked and how much better him and Tarvaris have gotten , and after a pre season fumble everyone is going to write him off , I hope he can get it on track because the system we have in play is set up so a Tight End can get 40 - 50 catches .
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    2007 Minnesota Vikings 16 27 323 12.0 20.2 79 1 3 1 11 1
    2006 New York Giants 16 12 81 6.8 5.1 16 0 0 0 4 1
    2005 New York Giants 16 8 91 11.4 5.7 17 0 0 0 5 0
    2004 New York Giants 16 5 25 5.0 1.6 9 1 0 0 3 0
    2003 New York Giants 16 10 56 5.6 3.5 10 2 0 0 4 0
    TOTAL 80 62 576 9.3 7.2 79 4 3 1 27 2

    He did have the best year of his career last year. What did everyone think he was going from 81 yards to 1,000 overnight? Well I guess the Vikings did when they gave him that fat deal, but it was a little unrealistic.
    Yep! That's what some of them think. Fact is V-Shi (who was still overpaid IMO) had over 3 times the production he had in any year as a NYG.

    They complain that Childress didn't use his TE's enough last year & then they also complain that our TE's production is low.

    Guess what folks, if Childress isn't using his TE's, you can't expect a TE to have a productive season. It's simple math.

    These are the same type of people who expect big things from a player, but if we happen to trade two players or picks for him, they expect twice that much.
    You could use that argument if we signed him as a backup to one of the best TE's in the league here too but the reality is we brought him here and paid him to be the starting TE, not the backup like he was in NY so we should expect his numbers to be a whole lot higher that they were in NY.

    I would expect something similar to what we got from Taylor in his first year as our starter compared to his secondary role in Baltimore:























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    2006 Minnesota Vikings 15 15 303 1,216 4.0 95T 6 42 288 6.9
    2005 Baltimore Ravens 15 1 117 487 4.2 52 0 41 292 7.1
    2004 Baltimore Ravens 16 4 160 714 4.5 47 2 30 184 6.1
    2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 1 63 276 4.4 32 2 20 132 6.6
    2002 Baltimore Ravens 15 2 33 122 3.7 17 0 14 129 9.2


    That is the kind of increase that you would like to see from someone going from a reserve on one team to a starter on another team with a big pay increase.
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

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    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".
    ;D
    They are right here. Too many mistakes from a TE that signed a 18.5 million dollar contract. He's not worth it at all!!! >

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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    "PurplePowerPunch" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    That's what one would expect to see, but again, Childress hasn't used his TE's effectively since he's been here. Other than pass blocking assignments, there have been very few pass plays called for the TE's. Ergo, you won't see squat for production out of them.
    No use trying to make a rational point here my friend.
    Right or wrong, we are a bit oversensitized to drops because of T-will.
    Then throw in the fact that the staff let a fan favorite go in Wiggo, coupled with a sizeable contract and there is no convincing them.

    Long story short, we haven't seen the TE's used yet cause they were busy helping the T's last year.
    When guys like Shanc did run routes they were open but the QB often didn't throw the ball to them.

    Give it some time and they will all be coming up with excuses when about mid season we are asking......

    "What happened to the Get Rid Of Shanc Crowd".

    ;D
    They are right here. Too many mistakes from a TE that signed a 18.5 million dollar contract. He's not worth it at all!!! >
    I hear ya and it might turn out that way, but do we really have enough data to make that determination?
    I don't think we do.
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    Re: Vikings TE Shiancoe tries to get back on track

    To put things in perspective, how many DROPS did Shiancoe have last year?

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