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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Really?
    Yep.

    You mean a man who doesn't want to take his kids to the game because he doesn't want his kids to sit in the pouring rain or the freezing cold is the wrong kind of fan?
    Nope, I mean if the game is not important enough to you to watch it in it's natural environment then maybe arena football is for you.


    You mean a man who has watched the Vikings all his life & has been a season ticket holder for decades, who now is older & can't take the cold the way he used to & won't sit out in the freezing rain is the wrong kind of fan?
    Well, put it this way- Go to Lambeau or soldier field on a cold, snowy day and tell their fans they should just go home and watch it on TV because it is way too cold to watch their favorite football team play and get back to me on their response.

    Honestly- If staying warm and dry is more important to you than the game then maybe a good sports bar is the best place for you.


    When is the last time, if ever, you sat out in freezing temps for 3 hours straight?
    Lol.

    Do you realize that I spend every minute of free time in the fall and winter outside hunting, fishing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, 4 wheeling or anything that can be done out doors? This is Minnesota, it gets cold and i relish the time outside in the fresh air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Formo View Post
    Yeah. Probably. That comment, right there, is why we get labeled as fairweather fans. Read those last two words again.. Fairweather fans. Fans that only stick around when 'weather' (actual or metaphorical) is fair, or good. Hmmmm...
    yeah, I am sure the Packers and bears fans lost love to hear vikings fans bitching about sitting in the cold. Gives us all another thing we have to defend against their fans.

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    Get over yourself, Purple Floyd. No one cares how much you enjoy the cold weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    yeah, I am sure the Packers and bears fans lost love to hear vikings fans bitching about sitting in the cold. Gives us all another thing we have to defend against their fans.
    It simply does not get as cold as early in Green Bay or Chicago.

    In Chicago the average low temperature in October is 44 degrees. November - 32 degrees (3 inches of snow). December - 21 degrees (8 inches of snow).

    In Green Bay the average low temperature in October is 39 degrees. November - 27 degrees (4 inches). December - 14 degrees (13 inches).

    In Minneapolis the average low temperature in October is 39 degrees (half inch of snow). November -25 degrees (9 inches of snow). December - 11 degrees (12 inches of snow).

    Remember ... these are just averages ... but Minneapolis is colder than BOTH of those cities. And it isn't as boring a hell hole as Green Bay (where you do have a point ... it will ALWAYS sell out no matter the temperature because ALL THEY CARE ABOUT is the Packers).

    I definitely have no problem with a retractable roof to play outside. But it DOES NOT provide an additional home field advantage. It DOES NOT make your team "tougher" or anything of the like. It does change the fan atmosphere ... some for the good, some for the better, but for NO real added advantage, it does not make sense to make people sit in the ridiculous December cold of Minnesota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    yeah, I am sure the Packers and bears fans lost love to hear vikings fans bitching about sitting in the cold. Gives us all another thing we have to defend against their fans.
    Bears fans are just as bad. When the team is playing poorly, soldier field has plenty of open seats. I lived and worked in the Chicagoland area for several years. And that is in a metro area that is several times the size of Minneapolis/St Paul.

    I would say that most fans are like that.

    Packer fans, I will admit, are something special.

    And people can say what they want about me or anyone else who wants a roof. I am secure enough that I don't have to try and prove my manliness by sitting through a game in the cold.

    I enjoy the cold. Winter is my favorite time of year. I love being outside. And I have enough business sense to know that just because I like those things doesn't mean that everybody does.

    You know what else I like? I like bringing my dad to games. He doesn't like the cold as much as I do, and I can tell you that he would not enjoy going to a late december game in an outdoor stadium. Does that make him less of a man? Well, considering he was a Green Beret who served several tours in Vietnam, then worked as a police office for 10 years before finishing his career in Corrections... who knows... Maybe his preference for being comfortable while watching a football game is more of a indicator of his toughness than his multiple purple hearts, or any of his bronze stars. <rolls eyes>

    An outdoor stadium in Minnesota is a stupid business decision. A retractable roof is fine - keep it open when it is nice, close it when it isn't. Throw in a game every once in a while where it is open despite the weather so that the fans who feel the need to prove the size of their d*** can have something to talk about - maybe during a heavy snow or something. That makes a hell of a lot more business sense.

    This talk about what the right kind of fan is, and whether or not certain people "deserve" to go to a game, or should watch arena football or go to a sports bar instead is probably the stupidest shit that tends to come up here. We are all fans here, regardless of our viewpoint on outdoor football in the winter.

    BTW, when the Vikings played the Bears at TCF in December 2010, the attendance was 40,504 - meaning that there were about 10,000 empty seats. That wouldn't have even filled up the Old Met...
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    It simply does not get as cold as early in Green Bay or Chicago.

    In Chicago the average low temperature in October is 44 degrees. November - 32 degrees (3 inches of snow). December - 21 degrees (8 inches of snow).

    In Green Bay the average low temperature in October is 39 degrees. November - 27 degrees (4 inches). December - 14 degrees (13 inches).

    In Minneapolis the average low temperature in October is 39 degrees (half inch of snow). November -25 degrees (9 inches of snow). December - 11 degrees (12 inches of snow).

    Remember ... these are just averages ... but Minneapolis is colder than BOTH of those cities. And it isn't as boring a hell hole as Green Bay (where you do have a point ... it will ALWAYS sell out no matter the temperature because ALL THEY CARE ABOUT is the Packers).

    I definitely have no problem with a retractable roof to play outside. But it DOES NOT provide an additional home field advantage. It DOES NOT make your team "tougher" or anything of the like. It does change the fan atmosphere ... some for the good, some for the better, but for NO real added advantage, it does not make sense to make people sit in the ridiculous December cold of Minnesota.
    Lol

    so you are saying if it were 5 degrees colder in Green Bay the fans would either stay home or pander for an indoor stadium? OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Get over yourself, Purple Floyd. No one cares how much you enjoy the cold weather.
    Whatever baldy. I was asked a question and i answered it. but hey, thanks for chiming in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    Bears fans are just as bad. When the team is playing poorly, soldier field has plenty of open seats. I lived and worked in the Chicagoland area for several years. And that is in a metro area that is several times the size of Minneapolis/St Paul.
    So what is the point, the dome, or the new dome part 2 would have empty seats too when the team plays crappy. Only probably more of them. It has less to do with the roof being open or closed as it does building a winning tradition and not needing to have to rely on secondary attractions to get fans to want to watch your product.

    I would say that most fans are like that.
    Fickle? Well, I would certainly entertain looking at data between cold air open roof stadiums and domes in cold weather cities to see if there is an attendance advantage but I would guess there isn't one.

    I would wager a 20 spot that if you took the attendance % of the Packers/bears that play outside and compared it to the Vikings/Lions that play inside the advantage would be on the outdoor teams.

    Packer fans, I will admit, are something special.


    There is no genetic difference and there is no real felt difference in the weather. I have lived in both states and the felt difference between the two climates is nothing.

    And people can say what they want about me or anyone else who wants a roof. I am secure enough that I don't have to try and prove my manliness by sitting through a game in the cold.
    Sorry Paul, it really isn't about you. Nor about me. It is about the fan base as a whole. I think it is becoming apparent that the Bears and Packers have a more loyal fan base that will support the team through more adversity than the vikings. It seems the Vikings fans as a whole need more frills and comfort in order to support the team than our rivals to the East. It is OK to admit that.

    I enjoy the cold. Winter is my favorite time of year. I love being outside. And I have enough business sense to know that just because I like those things doesn't mean that everybody does.
    Yeah it is a state of mind. And I believe there are more than enough people in this state who would and could support the team if the the ownership built and marketed it right. They can get more people on Mille Lacs or a lake in Brainerd in the winter for a fishing contest than would fit in the stadium. You are right, not everyone would like it but there are plenty enough to fill it.



    You know what else I like? I like bringing my dad to games. He doesn't like the cold as much as I do, and I can tell you that he would not enjoy going to a late december game in an outdoor stadium. Does that make him less of a man? Well, considering he was a Green Beret who served several tours in Vietnam, then worked as a police office for 10 years before finishing his career in Corrections... who knows... Maybe his preference for being comfortable while watching a football game is more of a indicator of his toughness than his multiple purple hearts, or any of his bronze stars. <rolls eyes>
    Oh good, bring that into the debate. Classy. I am sure he would want to be the poster boy for your position.

    An outdoor stadium in Minnesota is a stupid business decision. A retractable roof is fine - keep it open when it is nice, close it when it isn't. Throw in a game every once in a while where it is open despite the weather so that the fans who feel the need to prove the size of their d*** can have something to talk about - maybe during a heavy snow or something. That makes a hell of a lot more business sense.
    That is an opinion not a fact as you have no idea what would happen if it was done right. We know the indoor football was no better. How many times did pillsbury or other companies have to buy out the tickets at the dome to keep it from being blacked out and how many blackouts did they have anyway in the 80's and 90's?

    This talk about what the right kind of fan is, and whether or not certain people "deserve" to go to a game, or should watch arena football or go to a sports bar instead is probably the stupidest shit that tends to come up here. We are all fans here, regardless of our viewpoint on outdoor football in the winter.
    Well, I think it is funny that when a fan says they like outdoor football they are accosted by the fair weather crowd but when they defend their position all of a sudden they hate purple heart winning veterans. Whatever,
    BTW, when the Vikings played the Bears at TCF in December 2010, the attendance was 40,504 - meaning that there were about 10,000 empty seats. That wouldn't have even filled up the Old Met...
    There would have been just as few or fewer at the metrodump. And the new stadium will see the same thing after the new car smell wears off and fans have to pay 200 bucks a pop if the team is playing shitty. Even if it has a nice roof.

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    Vikings stadium needs fresh air

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