Quarterbacks are boom/bust more often than not. Teams invest more into development of a quarterback than any other position, and quarterbacks cannot often be just "good" and get a passing grade.
Originally Posted by tastywaves
I did not understand the Ponder pick from the minute he was drafted. He was considered a reach at the time on most draft boards, and he ended up a reach. If Ponder had been drafted in the second or third round, not at twelfth overall, perhaps fans would let it go.
The Vikings did get first round talent Kyle Rudolph in the second round, so it balanced out somewhat. It was not a great draft, but it was not bad, like the 2010 draft, or horrendous, like the 2005 draft.
On a side note, Scott Pioli was hired as the assistant GM in Atlanta. That is too bad, because he knows how to run drafts, and he could have done well in Minnesota.
So far other than the Ponder pick, I'm pretty happy with what Spielman has done here.
With picks or his job overall?
Originally Posted by idahovikefan7
The Vikings did not even have a starting middle linebacker at the start of the 2013 season. Team depth at everything but defensive end and tight end is almost non-existent. Spielman never replaced Fat Pat with a big enough body. He did not sign needed free agents. He put too many eggs in Ponder's basket. Spielman has done some good things, but he has not built a consistent winner.
The Vikings have not had a great GM since Jim Finks resigned.
With picks and his job overall. What about the Harvin trade? Look what that's turned into. Not only were we capable of grabbing Patterson in the draft, but got one of the best proven receivers in the game.
Originally Posted by Minniman
He hasn't built a consistent winner "yet" but I think this team is going to be on the up-rise for years to come. And this starts with the Zimmer hire and house cleaning that's taking place as we speak.
I'm not crowning Spielman with anything yet, but I like what he's brought so far and the direction he has this organization going. Some trial and error is going to take place when building a franchise from the very bottom. As long as the "errors" are fixed, or at least improved I'm not going to complain.
I think some of the blame has to go to the coaches. I liked Spielman's last two drafts and he has found some talent in the previous drafts. Especially in the fourth round. For example, I don't think Josh Robinson is ever going to be a great slot CB but he may be better on the outside if he got coached up, who fault is that? Where does the blame lie, probably on both the GM and the coach. Ballard was a heck of a talent for the fourth round, I bet no GM would ever imagine he would just quit the game. Look at his drafts since he got here and he ahs done a decent job finding talent, I don't think it was ever coached up.
Originally Posted by Minniman
1. ..... ADRIAN PETERSON (7), RB, Oklahoma. Great pick, HOF RB
2. ..... SIDNEY RICE (44), WR, South Carolina. Great Pick Starting WR (Seattle)
3. ..... MARCUS McCAULEY (72), CB, Fresno State.
4. ..... BRIAN ROBISON (102), DE, Texas. Steal of the draft Starting LDE
5. ..... AUNDRAE ALLISON (146), WR, East Carolina.
6. ..... RUFUS ALEXANDER (176), LB, Oklahoma.
7. ..... (A) TYLER THIGPEN (217), QB, Coastal Carolina. Great pick -Should have developed him
7. ..... (B) CHANDLER WILLIAMS (233), WR, Florida International. Choice from Denver in exchange of picks.
1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen. Great decision Starting HOF RDE
2. ..... TYRELL JOHNSON (43), S, Arkansas State. Bad choice I must admit
3. ..... (A) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen. Great decision
3. ..... (B) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen. Great Decision
4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks.
5. ..... (A) JOHN DAVID BOOTY (137), QB, Southern California. Choice from Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
5. ..... (B) LETROY GUION (152), DT, Florida State. Choice from Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks. Solid pick has been in the starting lineup
6. ..... (A) JOHN SULLIVAN (187), C, Notre Dame. Choice from Kansas City in exchange of drat picks. Steal of the draft
6. ..... (B) JAYMAR JOHNSON (193), WR, Jackson State. Choice from Jacksonville in Troy Williamson trade.
7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
1. ..... PERCY HARVIN (22), WR, Florida. Great pick OROTY
2. ..... PHIL LOADHOLT (54), OT, Oklahoma. starting RT
3. ..... ASHER ALLEN (86), CB, Georgia.
4. ..... NO CHOICE
5. ..... JASPER BRINKLEY (150), LB, South Carolina. Good pick starting LB (ARI)
6. ..... NO CHOICE
7. ..... JAMARCA SANFORD (231), FS, Mississippi. Good pick- has played and started for us
1. ..... NO CHOICE
2. ..... CHRIS COOK (34), CB, Virginia bad pick
2. ..... TOBY GERHART (51), RB, Stanford Good pick, he will start somewhere next year.
3. ..... NO CHOICE
4. ..... EVERSON GRIFFEN (100), DE, Southern Cal Stud, great pick.
5. ..... CHRIS DEGEARE (161), OT, Wake Forrest
5. ..... NATE TRIPLETT (167), LB, Minnesota
6. ..... JOE WEBB (199), QB, UAB
7. ..... MICKEY SHULER (214), TE, Penn State
7. ..... RYAN D'IMPERIO (237), LB, Rutgers
1. ..... CHRISTIAN PONDER (12), QB, Florida State Bad choice
2. ..... KYLE RUDOLPH (43), TE, Notre Dame Great choice, made up for Ponder
3. ..... NO CHOICE
4. ..... CHRISTIAN BALLARD (106), DL, Iowa Great pick, who knew he was thinking of quitting?
5. ..... BRANDON BURTON (139), CB, Utah
6. ..... DEMARCUS LOVE (168), OL, Arkansas
6. ..... MISTRAL RAYMOND (170), DB, South Flordia Good pick -Has started for us
6. ..... BRANDON FUSCO (172), OL, Slippery Rock Starting RG Good pick
6. ..... ROSS HOMAN (200), LB, Ohio State
7. ..... D'AUNDRE REED (215), DL, Arizona
7. ..... STEPHEN BURTON (236), WR, West Texas A&M
1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Cleveland in exchange of draft picks.
1. ..... (B) MATT KALIL (4), T, USC. Choice from Cleveland for 1A. Good pick Starting LT
1. ..... (C) HARRISON SMITH (29), S, Notre Dame. Choice from Baltimore for 2 and 4A. Great pick
2. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
3. ..... JOSH ROBINSON (66), CB, Central Florida OK pick the jury is still out, I say try him on the outside
4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
4. ..... (B) JARIUS WRIGHT (118), WR, Arkansas. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
Great pick, very good slot receiver
4. ..... (C) RHETT ELLISON (128), TE, USC. Compensatory Selection. Great pick, very versatile.
4. ..... (D) GREG CHILDS, (134), WR, Arkansas. Compensatory Selection.
5. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Detroit for 7C and 4th in ‘13
5...... (B) ROBERT BLANTON (139), DB, Notre Dame. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
6. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Washington for D. McNabb
6. ..... (B) BLAIR WALSH (175), K, Georgia. Choice from Cleveland in the Jayme Mitchell trade. Great pick all pro kicker
7. ..... (A) AUDIE COLE (210), LB, NC State great pick, he will fight for the starting MIKE in the spring
7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Tennessee for 6th in ‘13. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
7. ..... (C) TREVOR GUYTON (219), DL, California. Choice from Detroit for 5A. Good pick, for a 7th round pick he did contribute, that is good for that draft slot.
So if you look at his drafts, he drafts at least three quality starters and sometimes four. And I argue the point that if he had some coaching the number of starters from each draft class would be higher. He hit some home runs in the fourth and fifth rounds. Now free agency is a mixed bag of players. Let's hope he gets a few more right on that front.
I agree somewhat Tark but picking up Rudolph did not make up for bombing on Ponder. Fairley and Quinn both went right after IIRC and they'd have helped us a lot more than Ponder who did nothing but waste a season of Adrian's prime last year.
To compare apples to apples, you should really put him up against every other GM in the league and rate their drafts.
While I'm not a huge Spielman fan, we have had 2 ROY's since 2007 (when he was VP of player personnel) and we could have a third this year in Patterson... however, Eddy Lacy will probably win - and deservedly so.
I say give Spielman another 2 seasons. If we're still looking for a QB at the end of the 2015 season, I'll personally pay for his ticket to the Bermuda Triangle.
Originally Posted by Flair Hay
Originally Posted by Flair Hay
Beyond Flair Hay's exception, I also want to point out he might not have had the coach that shared his vision. If that is the case, and the last 2 guys fundamentally disagreed with him, then it really didn't matter who he picked up, unless they were the elite diamonds in the rough.
Originally Posted by tarkenton10
If you have ever seen the movie Moneyball, you can see what I'm talking about. The GM was drafting and recruiting a team for a purpose the coach or manager has no intention of putting on the field. If that is happening behind the scenes, and they can't come to an understanding, bad things happens. Dysfunctionality is the name of the game.