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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Give all the money in the world to Peterson.

    Try to sign Rice at market value. If he does not want to stay for an acceptable price, someone like Steve Smith (giants) and Burress would be lovely fits for our team and should not be as highly priced as someone like Holmes (who is going to resign in NYJ for a sick amount of money)
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099150
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099141

    Guess what, we have players getting ready to hit the open market.
    Here's the list.

    Nose tackle Pat Williams (14 years of service); kicker Ryan Longwell (14); linebacker Ben Leber (nine); quarterback Patrick Ramsey (nine) cornerback Lito Sheppard (nine); wide receiver Greg Lewis (eight); cornerback Frank Walker (eight); wide receiver Hank Baskett (five); defensive end Ray Edwards (five); defensive tackle Fred Evans (five); offensive lineman Ryan Cook (five); quarterback Tarvaris Jackson (five); fullback Naufahu Tahi (five); safety Eric Frampton (four); and wide receiver Sidney Rice (four).

    I don't see too many teams breaking out the wallet for most of these players.

    In fact, I think the Vikings are in better shape than most teams with regard to free agency.
    Your looking at it from the wrong perspective Doc. The right way to do business in this league is to take care of your own, not when their contract is up, but a year or two out. Having said that, here are the priorities....

    AD - Like it or not, I bet he gets an attitude and he should. Been the heart and soul of this team. Should've had a deal done right after the season ended.

    Chad Greenway. WTF. AD has been the guy for the team, this guy has been the guy for the defense. When others took the season off last year, he played through. Again, a deal should have been done.

    Sidney Rice. Offer made. Agent refused. Going to test the FA market. He is considered a TOP 5 FA and we low ball him.

    Ray Edwards. Look, most don't like the guy, but just like Rice, he is considered a top 5 FA.

    Shanc. Do we extend him? No, we draft a replacement. WTF kindof signal does that send to the team?

    Sauce. Again, probably wouldn't take much to extend him. Instead we draft a young cat.

    EJ. We have Jasper, but EJ has done nothing that wouldn't warrant a contract extension.

    Leber/Henderson - I lump these two together. One of them should have got a contract. We don't have anyone on the roster right now to take their place.

    Husain - Absolutely played his ass off since he's been here on ST's and finally started to come into his own last year. Someone will pay him.
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    I'm not sure why most on here think the staff has done a good job in this regard.

    No club lets their star players hit the FA market. Unless of course they are in a cost cutting/rebuilding mode. Truth of the matter is, most clubs go ahead and sign/extend them before their contract is up.

    That does two things....1) you get them cheaper and...most importantly 2) you keep them and the other players happy by creating a sense of "Trust" in that the organization will reward you for your efforts.

    Greenway is one that just pisses me off. Didnt' say a word, just came to work and did his job and what do they do for that?

    Extend Robinson. A backup, situational pass rusher for cripes sake.

    I know if I was an agent I would advise my players to protect themselves and come up with a fake injury or two and only play just enough games to count towards my tenure (ala Rice).
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099241
    http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/6/21/2236059/is-sidney-rice-damaged-goods

    Based on my sources, Rice will be hard-pressed to get a big guarantee, and #Vikings are willing to compete with incentives/escalators.
    They had Casserly on last night. He said that the FA market will be just like it was last year and the year before and the year before......

    1 Week of flurry with the top guys getting signed right away and they will get top dollar. Teams already have done their research on the ones they are targeting and will get them in for physicals/visits. Rice was mentioned as one of those.

    What will change is the second tier guys. They will probably get their best deal from their home club because there won't be enough time to go on visists.

    Rice is not considered a second tier guy regardless of the injury history. Most believe last years "Injury" was nothing more than him protecting himself for a big payday this year.
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099262
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
    I said that Matt didn't fit the ZB scheme and was continually blitzed up the middle. Not just 2 plays my friend.
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099266
    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099262
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
    I said that Matt didn't fit the ZB scheme and was continually blitzed up the middle. Not just 2 plays my friend.
    You consistently harped on his inability to move, his slowness and the fact he couldn't pull anymore. The snap to TJ's feet in the wild card game vs. the eagles sealed it for him.

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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099267
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099266
    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099262
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
    I said that Matt didn't fit the ZB scheme and was continually blitzed up the middle. Not just 2 plays my friend.
    You consistently harped on his inability to move, his slowness and the fact he couldn't pull anymore. The snap to TJ's feet in the wild card game vs. the eagles sealed it for him.
    Red = Doesn't fit the scheme.
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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099269
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099267
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099266
    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099262
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
    I said that Matt didn't fit the ZB scheme and was continually blitzed up the middle. Not just 2 plays my friend.
    You consistently harped on his inability to move, his slowness and the fact he couldn't pull anymore. The snap to TJ's feet in the wild card game vs. the eagles sealed it for him.
    Red = Doesn't fit the scheme.
    just because you say it, does not make it true.

    You claimed Sullivan would be better, and Cook was the next coming of christ. Both claims were quite wrong. Quite wrong indeed

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    Re: Vikings Should Have Cap Space To Re-Sign Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099272
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099269
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099267
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099266
    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099262
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1099244
    I think Marr is right. You don't let your players hit the open market. It's bad business.

    And several of the players you listed will have new deals. It's the same thing that happened to Birk that most of your guys didn't want back. The Ravens were happy to add him and now AD can't find an open hole even if he had a handful of hundreds in a strip club.
    If you were talking to me I have to say I have the utmost respect for your opinion on this board and think you are one of PP.O's most valuable assets. But in this case you seem confused.

    Marr was the guy that said Birk was washed up and needed to go. He, like a few others saw 2 delayed blitzes come up the middle untouched by Birk, and blamed it on him.

    Truth was, Birk was engaged on his man at the time and the blitzer was Peterson's responsibility.

    Birk was starting to get pushed around a bit by some of the big nose tackles, and drafting a stud center would have been fine.
    But trying to replace him with a late round draft pick was foolish.

    Virtually nobody here wanted to see Birk go, except Marr.

    As far as this group of free agents, the Vikings know who they want to keep, and have a plan if that doesn't work out.

    The Vikings will have a long list of free agents to deal with when the NFL lockout finally does end, but vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said team officials have "a pretty good idea" of the players they want to keep. That such decisions have been made comes as no surprise given the amount of time the Vikings have had to analyze any situation that might happen when the work stoppage is done.
    "Our history has been to keep our young guys, especially trying to come out of their first contracts [as well as] get those guys," Spielman said Wednesday while playing in the team's charity golf tournament that benefits the Vikings Children's Fund at Rush Creek in Maple Grove. "I think that’s the top priority and then we’ll kind of see where everything else falls in place.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/123557784.html

    It's the labor dispute and lack of a collective bargaining agreement that leads the Vikings down this path.
    The Vikings know what they are doing and are prepared for it.
    The loss of Birk involves a different time and context, and though an obvious mistake, bears no relevance to the current free agency situation.
    I said that Matt didn't fit the ZB scheme and was continually blitzed up the middle. Not just 2 plays my friend.
    You consistently harped on his inability to move, his slowness and the fact he couldn't pull anymore. The snap to TJ's feet in the wild card game vs. the eagles sealed it for him.
    Red = Doesn't fit the scheme.
    just because you say it, does not make it true.

    You claimed Sullivan would be better, and Cook was the next coming of christ. Both claims were quite wrong. Quite wrong indeed
    I never said that about Cook. I only said that it was stupid to hack on him. Wasn't his fault the staff didn't have anyone better.

    As to Sully, I did think he would be better, and in 09 he graded out exactly like Birk, lest you forget.

    Last year Sully struggled from leg injuries, my guess, from trying to carry to much weight. Something I always say is stupid to do.

    So to say both claims are quite wrong is just another example of you "Misunderstanding" what I said. (again and again and again).
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