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    There is a definite vision for this team; we just aren't privy to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Jerick McKinnon Highlights + Interview

    I stand corrected, McKinnon looks like he can catch out of the backfield well. Natural hands so far.
    So... you were wrong? Shocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    What are the 6 power conferences?
    PAC 10, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, ACC

    Most SEC QB's aren't very good Point made, QB's come from all over.
    I obviously meant five power conferences ... the BCS conferences. PAC 12, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. Which makes it even worse. Approximately 70% of starting caliber QBs come from FIVE conferences. It is certainly notable.

    And there are plenty of good SEC quarterbacks. The Manning's have three Super Bowls between them and one is one of the 10 best to ever play the position. Cam Newton has also been pretty damn good. WHEN Johnny Football wins the position in Cleveland ... *SIX (Manziel, Newton, Manning, Manning, Cutler, Stafford) of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL on day 1 will be from that conference. That is a pretty large percentage from just one conference. The other conferences will have 5 for PAC 12, 4 for ACC and 3 for the Big 12 and Big 10 (there is one Michael Vick from the former BCS Big East).

    *This is assuming Schaub starts in Oakland, Keenum in Houston, Vick in New York, McCown in Tampa and all three FIRST ROUND rookies at their new homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    I obviously meant five power conferences ... the BCS conferences. PAC 12, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. Which makes it even worse. Approximately 70% of starting caliber QBs come from FIVE conferences. It is certainly notable.

    And there are plenty of good SEC quarterbacks. The Manning's have three Super Bowls between them and one is one of the 10 best to ever play the position. Cam Newton has also been pretty damn good. WHEN Johnny Football wins the position in Cleveland ... *SIX (Manziel, Newton, Manning, Manning, Cutler, Stafford) of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL on day 1 will be from that conference. That is a pretty large percentage from just one conference. The other conferences will have 5 for PAC 12, 4 for ACC and 3 for the Big 12 and Big 10 (there is one Michael Vick from the former BCS Big East).

    *This is assuming Schaub starts in Oakland, Keenum in Houston, Vick in New York, McCown in Tampa and all three FIRST ROUND rookies at their new homes.
    It wasn't a sarcastic response by the way but an earnest question (6 conferences)

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    I obviously meant five power conferences ... the BCS conferences. PAC 12, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. Which makes it even worse. Approximately 70% of starting caliber QBs come from FIVE conferences. It is certainly notable.

    And there are plenty of good SEC quarterbacks. The Manning's have three Super Bowls between them and one is one of the 10 best to ever play the position. Cam Newton has also been pretty damn good. WHEN Johnny Football wins the position in Cleveland ... *SIX (Manziel, Newton, Manning, Manning, Cutler, Stafford) of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL on day 1 will be from that conference. That is a pretty large percentage from just one conference. The other conferences will have 5 for PAC 12, 4 for ACC and 3 for the Big 12 and Big 10 (there is one Michael Vick from the former BCS Big East).

    *This is assuming Schaub starts in Oakland, Keenum in Houston, Vick in New York, McCown in Tampa and all three FIRST ROUND rookies at their new homes.
    6 of 32 doesn't translate to the dominance that the SEC supposedly has on football. It is the top conference but far from the end all of talent. SEC Qbs have been notoriously bad (Mannings aside)

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    So... you were wrong? Shocker.
    The difference between me and you is that I gladly admit when I am wrong. No one has to say 'told you so". You on the other hand will go down swinging even though all signs point to you being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Isn't that exactly what I'm saying? He's fine in the 0-20 yard plays... but his accuracy and arm-strength suffers on long-balls. Am I talking to a brick wall here?

    Should I also mention that Manziel was going against SEC defenses vs Bridgewater playing against AAC opponents? Nah, that would make too much sense. (AAC is one of the weakest major conferences in the NCAA... just throwing that out there)

    All I'm saying is don't be surprised if we see a very conservative gameplan with Bridgewater... and also, don't be surprised if Bridgewater is Ponder 2.0.
    Enough with all this long ball talk.. The NFL is a different beast. We're not talking the Randy Moss straight d
    down the field think these days. NFL offenses are all about system which is now dink and dunk and
    very good athletes to do the RAC. Show me a Randy Moss type receiver in the league today. QB's don't
    just take seven steps drops and rifle the ball as far as they can heave it a anymore. After being down
    on Bridgewater I looked at his tape and I like what I see. This kid will put on another 10 or 15 pounds
    and be more than big enough . As for the arm Erin Rodgers was called weak armed coming out. A few
    mechanical changes can make all the difference here. I watched Manziel and I believe he's going to be
    bust in the NFL. He rarely took the ball from center and even in the shotgun he would look one
    receiver an then out of there he goes. He's one of these college legends THAT RARELY EVER
    pan out in the NFL. Fiinally I like TB's demeanor. He is a very calm guy who believes in himself. He reminds
    me in that way of Russel Wilson. That guy plays the game with his head and I believe that is what
    we are going to get with Bridgewater. Remember this guy before the combine was predicted to
    be the number one pick in the entire draft at one time and by far the best prospect at QB. I really
    believe he may win the starting job from day one and with AP being his safety blanket may
    really surprise alot of people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    The difference between me and you is that I gladly admit when I am wrong. No one has to say 'told you so". You on the other hand will go down swinging even though all signs point to you being wrong.
    Well, that... and I know what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingpin9995 View Post
    Enough with all this long ball talk.. The NFL is a different beast. We're not talking the Randy Moss straight d
    down the field think these days. NFL offenses are all about system which is now dink and dunk and
    very good athletes to do the RAC. Show me a Randy Moss type receiver in the league today. QB's don't
    just take seven steps drops and rifle the ball as far as they can heave it a anymore. After being down
    on Bridgewater I looked at his tape and I like what I see. This kid will put on another 10 or 15 pounds
    and be more than big enough . As for the arm Erin Rodgers was called weak armed coming out. A few
    mechanical changes can make all the difference here. I watched Manziel and I believe he's going to be
    bust in the NFL. He rarely took the ball from center and even in the shotgun he would look one
    receiver an then out of there he goes. He's one of these college legends THAT RARELY EVER
    pan out in the NFL. Fiinally I like TB's demeanor. He is a very calm guy who believes in himself. He reminds
    me in that way of Russel Wilson. That guy plays the game with his head and I believe that is what
    we are going to get with Bridgewater. Remember this guy before the combine was predicted to
    be the number one pick in the entire draft at one time and by far the best prospect at QB. I really
    believe he may win the starting job from day one and with AP being his safety blanket may
    really surprise alot of people...
    Ah, right... today's NFL is dink-and-dunk.... which is why 3 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards two seasons ago? And two threw for over 5,000 yards this past season, including a record breaking 5,477 yards? That was dink and dunk, right?

    The top 10 QB's finished with around 12-15 YPC. That generally doesn't scream dink-and-dunk offense, but whatever. Think what you want.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Ah, right... today's NFL is dink-and-dunk.... which is why 3 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards two seasons ago? And two threw for over 5,000 yards this past season, including a record breaking 5,477 yards? That was dink and dunk, right?

    The top 10 QB's finished with around 12-15 YPC. That generally doesn't scream dink-and-dunk offense, but whatever. Think what you want.
    Actually the QB, Manning with 8.3 per attempt. The only Qb to break 9 was Foles (with Desean Jackson) But why let something like facts ruin your argument. Keep going!

    Btw a Post is about an 11 yard route (8 to 11 depending on flat vs. skinny route options). Which is why I say, the post and slant routes are more important in Turner's offense than the deep fly, 18 yard come back or deep drag.
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