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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    I guess it's simply semantics... IMO, and many scouts' opinion, having a weak arm means the ball flutters and the deep balls and lacks accuracy. Kevon disputes this, despite Bridgewater's 50% completion rate on balls deeper than 20 yards.

    Whatever. Sorta forgot why I stopped posting on this site, then I realized how people argue their point even when presented with facts. Oh well.
    You blame arm strength for the 50% completion percentage. Yet Carr, who was rated as having one of the strongest arms in the draft, completed a lower percentage than TB. Based on you equation arm strength to %, this shouldn't happen. What I am proposing to you is that deep ball percentage, has less to do with arm strength and more to do with accuracy, offense ran and the abilities of his Wrs. Did he have a corp of speedsters who could get open to catch the passes (wobbles or not), did he have a couple of 6'5 guys that he could just throw it up to and they would come down with it deep (JF), or was his corp of WRs not particularly suited for the deep ball. The most important throw in the NFL is the 10-20 range. That is where a QB makes his money. A team might take 4 deep ball attempts a game. However, they might throw 15 ten to twenty yard passes.

    I have no doubt that TB has a weaker arm compared to some of the other Qbs. However, he doesn't have a weak arm. Steven Jackson might be a weaker RB to AP but that doesn't make him weak. I associate a weak arm as ineffective at doing the job. TB's arm is not (so far). Are we really crying about deep ball pass % with a guy that completed 71% of his passess this season, who doesn't run a screen focused offense?

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    According to PFF these are the completion percentages for passes over 20 yards last year:

    Rodgers 53.2
    PManning 52.8
    Newton 52.4
    RGIII 50.0
    Brees 48.8
    Wilson 48.4
    Ryan 43.3
    Stafford 43.0

    According to Cmac QBs that hit for 50% or under have weak arms. Not sure these numbers bear that out. If TB can hit 50% of his deep balls we should be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiehardVikesFan View Post
    Georgia Southern has run the triple option forever and McKinnon was a quarterback until this season for them. When they beat Florida this year they had 0 pass yards and over 300 yards rush yards, so that gives you an idea of how much passing they did.

    I like the pick. He was the best athlete in the draft at running back and he runs with great pad level so he always falls forward. High highlight video is fun to watch, especially if you like option football:

    Georgia Southern Football - 2013 - Jerick McKinnon - YouTube
    THIS!

    He is a fantastic runner. I don't think he is nearly as raw as many are making him out to be and I think he is going to hit the field early and often.

    I remember seeing him in combine coverage and looking him up to job my memory. That Florida game was unreal. An SEC school with blue chip recruits KNEW he was running the ball every play and could not stop him.

    He is going to be very exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplehelmut View Post
    According to PFF these are the completion percentages for passes over 20 yards last year:

    Rodgers 53.2
    PManning 52.8
    Newton 52.4
    RGIII 50.0
    Brees 48.8
    Wilson 48.4
    Ryan 43.3
    Stafford 43.0

    According to Cmac QBs that hit for 50% or under have weak arms. Not sure these numbers bear that out. If TB can hit 50% of his deep balls we should be happy.
    Let's hope NFL defenses start playing at the AAC level.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    You can't knock a man for where he played college ball. He went to L'ville and had a great career. There are plenty of NFL QBs that did not go to a so-called power conference. Will TB be able to prosper in the NFL. Many, including the Vikings, seem to think he can. Besides, Teddy and Louisville did take care of a couple of big football schools in bowl games if I remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    I guess it's simply semantics... IMO, and many scouts' opinion, having a weak arm means the ball flutters and the deep balls and lacks accuracy. Kevon disputes this, despite Bridgewater's 50% completion rate on balls deeper than 20 yards.

    Whatever. Sorta forgot why I stopped posting on this site, then I realized how people argue their point even when presented with facts. Oh well.
    If you are going to use that criteria you won't be posting on the web at all, anywhere!!! I have yet to be on site where people don't argue their point even when overwhelming facts show them to be wrong. Maybe pick up a hobby like hopscotch

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplehelmut View Post
    According to PFF these are the completion percentages for passes over 20 yards last year:

    Rodgers 53.2
    PManning 52.8
    Newton 52.4
    RGIII 50.0
    Brees 48.8
    Wilson 48.4
    Ryan 43.3
    Stafford 43.0

    According to Cmac QBs that hit for 50% or under have weak arms. Not sure these numbers bear that out. If TB can hit 50% of his deep balls we should be happy.
    As C Mac already pointed out ... this is an absolute train wreck of a post. Really? Comparing Bridgewater's college stats to stats of NFL grown ass men playing against the best defenses on the planet?

    Quote Originally Posted by purplehelmut View Post
    You can't knock a man for where he played college ball. He went to L'ville and had a great career. There are plenty of NFL QBs that did not go to a so-called power conference. Will TB be able to prosper in the NFL. Many, including the Vikings, seem to think he can. Besides, Teddy and Louisville did take care of a couple of big football schools in bowl games if I remember correctly.
    And you CAN knock a man for when he went to school when his numbers are put up against Florida Atlantic and Memphis. There certainly are not "plenty" of NFL QBs from outside the power conferences. Give or take a couple ... 24 of the 32 starters on Day 1 next year will be from the six power conferences. It is pretty notable that 75% of starters come from six conferences.

    And what bowl games do you recall? He was very average against Florida in the 2012 Sugar Bowl and that was his only game against a "big football school" in a bowl game, unless you count last year's contest against a garbage Miami school.

    I don't think the fact that he played in a weak conference means he cannot do it, but it is notable. I personally think Bridgewater COULD be a star in the NFL, but if he flops I would not be surprised ... and the points C Mac is making are the reasons why most would not be surprised.

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    My post is certainly not a train wreck and I take exception to your tone. I only pointed out that QBs who throw under 50% on deep balls are not necessarily weak armed. And I pointed out that IF Teddy can throw 50% on deep balls in the pros that isn't bad compared to what the list indicates. Never compared his college stats with the pro guys. And if I remember Louisville won the games in question against Miami and Fl. St. ,both football schools. I made no reference to how good or bad those teams were, simply stated the fact that Louisville won those games. I don't remember how good or bad those teams were. All I know is they lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    As C Mac already pointed out ... this is an absolute train wreck of a post. Really? Comparing Bridgewater's college stats to stats of NFL grown ass men playing against the best defenses on the planet?

    And you CAN knock a man for when he went to school when his numbers are put up against Florida Atlantic and Memphis. There certainly are not "plenty" of NFL QBs from outside the power conferences. Give or take a couple ... 24 of the 32 starters on Day 1 next year will be from the six power conferences. It is pretty notable that 75% of starters come from six conferences.

    And what bowl games do you recall? He was very average against Florida in the 2012 Sugar Bowl and that was his only game against a "big football school" in a bowl game, unless you count last year's contest against a garbage Miami school.

    I don't think the fact that he played in a weak conference means he cannot do it, but it is notable. I personally think Bridgewater COULD be a star in the NFL, but if he flops I would not be surprised ... and the points C Mac is making are the reasons why most would not be surprised.
    What are the 6 power conferences?
    PAC 10, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, ACC

    Most SEC QB's aren't very good Point made, QB's come from all over.

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    Jerick McKinnon Highlights + Interview

    I stand corrected, McKinnon looks like he can catch out of the backfield well. Natural hands so far.

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