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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    You're being serious? When have I ever said I liked Ponder? The day we drafted Ponder, I called it my darkest day as a Vikings fan...

    And Bridgewater's arm is weak.
    Any proof to him having a week arm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Any proof to him having a week arm?
    Well, if you followed scouting reports you would readily know this information... he excels at the short to medium throws, but often flutters his deep balls. Same critique of Ponder coming out of college.

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    Does not drive the ball with velocity down the field and can be affected by cold and windy conditions (see Cincinnati). Can improve placement and touch on the deep ball.
    Breaking Football | Teddy Bridgewater 2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report

    Is a little inconsistent with his touch down the field
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    Not a great deep ball thrower. Leaves go routes over the inside shoulder, over throws deep throws, or passes are getting broken up by deep safeties.
    The real question is, what proof do you have that he has a strong arm?

    But let's not derail the thread because you're uninformed... this is a Jerrick McKinnon thread.
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    For each one of those reports (opinions) there is another that indicates the opposite. I've probably read at least ten different scouting reports on Bridgewater, so I don't think I'm uninformed. One is free to believe the ones he wants to believe. All I know is the kid is accurate and he doesn't throw it to the other team very often. Both desirable traits for a QB. And "a little inconsistent..." certainly isn't an indictment of his talent. Actually none of those quotes are deal killers for him. Remember, he is not a finished product yet and he will improve his weaknesses. And he was the best option that we had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplehelmut View Post
    For each one of those reports (opinions) there is another that indicates the opposite. I've probably read at least ten different scouting reports on Bridgewater, so I don't think I'm uninformed. One is free to believe the ones he wants to believe. All I know is the kid is accurate and he doesn't throw it to the other team very often. Both desirable traits for a QB. And "a little inconsistent..." certainly isn't an indictment of his talent. Actually none of those quotes are deal killers for him. Remember, he is not a finished product yet and he will improve his weaknesses. And he was the best option that we had.
    So... where are these contrary reports?

    Also, I think I said Kevoncox was uninformed. Not you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Well, if you followed scouting reports you would readily know this information... he excels at the short to medium throws, but often flutters his deep balls. Same critique of Ponder coming out of college.







    The real question is, what proof do you have that he has a strong arm?

    But let's not derail the thread because you're uninformed... this is a Jerrick McKinnon thread.
    I'm mis-informed? Lol... Lets so who is misinformed.
    As stated none of those said that he has a weak arm (your opinion).
    Touch has nothing to do with armstrength. In fact most cannon armed QBs lack touch (Vick). Touch is the feel for the throw that is needed. The ability to drop a pass into the bucket regardless of distance. 2 of the three quotes talked about touch. One even says that he OVERTHROWS players on the deep ball. Again none of these say he has a weak arm. I am not arguing that he has a strong arm. However, I will say that his arm is not weak. There are other options between strong and weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    This guy looks like a tank MADE for third and short situations.

    I expect to see him when we absolutely need 2 yards, and the defense we are playing knows we are going to pound it out. I think he could get the needed 1st down regardless, ala Eddie Lacy/Marshawn Lynch style.
    Williams is not even going to make the squad. He is a camp guy only ... maybe an outside shot as a practice squad guy.

    Peterson/McKinnon/Asiata will be the three backs ... if we even carry three. I think it is possible that Norv will play with CP84 some at the RB position.

    I like Williams ... but he is too slow to be a major contributor.

    McKinnon was a VERY good pick. It seems that the rumblings are he was not going to make it another round ... and since we did not have another pick until the fifth ... this was a good move for us. He is going to be a playmaker in the NFL. He is probably not a Pro Bowler or anything, but he IS and offensive weapon that can definitely help out right away in certain packages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    So... where are these contrary reports?

    Also, I think I said Kevoncox was uninformed. Not you.

    Go McKinnon!
    Come on man. You are just talking garbage now. You tried to turn not having the strongest arm in the draft class into saying he has a weak arm. Just say you were wrong and move on. He does not have a cannon but he doesn't have a weak arm either.

    "While Bridgewater's arm is impressive, the poise, vision and touch he demonstrates could serve as a "how-to" video on effective quarterback play."

    " Impressive accuracy and touch on throws to all levels of the field, and displays good accuracy while on the move."

    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    Two of your quotes came from the same article on NFL.com. The same article that said "Compensates for a lack of elite arm talent....."

    Again hinting that he doesn't have ELITE arm talent but he has the talent to play NFL ball.

    BTW this was Ponder's profile coming out of college
    "Doesn't own a Matthew Stafford-type howitzer, but has plenty of arm strength to make every NFL throw. Good zip on underneath routes; showcasing enough drive to push the ball through tight windows for the quick slant. Good timing and accuracy make up for a lack of a dominant arm for the deep-out. Effective deep-ball thrower; able to launch the ball 50-plus yards with velocity and trajectory."

    Please just stop talking as you are wrong about everything.

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    McKinnon could be the "other back" in the Viking's line up, in that he will be a bull mastiff where AD is a greyhound; I really expect him to be in our smash-mouth set, where we are trying to impose our will on the other team.

    As far as QBs, remember Joe Montana did not have a cannon either, and many scouts felt he would amount to a back up only. The point to saying that is Teddy could become one of those pin-point QBs who use short to medium pass plays to open up something deep... and when he goes deep, he can get it there.

    There is only so much you can get from scouting reports and workouts; in the end, it always comes down to how they do on the field. Bridgewater has shown that when the game starts, his ability elevates.

    I still like Manziel more, but I am happy with the Tedster. I LOVE the fact that he genuinely likes our team too!! Look at his face when he is tell his table the Vikings drafted him; there is the relief everyone has, but he looks very happy as well. I know I am seeing what I want to, but he has stressed quite a few times he was very happy with the Vikings, and very happy we took him.

    If you are just happy someone took you, you blow the expect smoke up your new team's ass then get to work. Teddy seems like he really wants to stress the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Come on man. You are just talking garbage now. You tried to turn not having the strongest arm in the draft class into saying he has a weak arm. Just say you were wrong and move on. He does not have a cannon but he doesn't have a weak arm either.

    "While Bridgewater's arm is impressive, the poise, vision and touch he demonstrates could serve as a "how-to" video on effective quarterback play."

    " Impressive accuracy and touch on throws to all levels of the field, and displays good accuracy while on the move."

    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    Two of your quotes came from the same article on NFL.com. The same article that said "Compensates for a lack of elite arm talent....."

    Again hinting that he doesn't have ELITE arm talent but he has the talent to play NFL ball.

    Please just stop talking as you are wrong about everything.
    Kevoncox, you're universally wrong and hilariously misinformed on almost everything on this site... have been for years, but I'll entertain your argument anyways.

    A "weak arm" doesn't mean a QB can't throw the ball 50-60 yards... it just means he can't throw it accurately and make the big plays... exactly as these scouting reports state. I'm not anticipating you to understand this, and you'll probably argue this, but it's the truth.

    If you'd like to see a full breakdown of Bridgewater's college passes, checkout this article: 2014's Quarterback Conundrum - Out Of The Box - Rotoworld.com

    You'll notice of the QB's reviewed (Bridgewater, Carr, Bortles, Manziel) that Bridgewater had the 3rd lowest completion percentage of passes over 20 yards... roughly 50%. That does not indicate good arm strength or deep-ball accuracy. Fairly simple stuff here.



    You may also notice that 67.55% of Bridgewater's passes were for 10 yards or less... indicating the coaching staff at Louisville had an understanding of his strengths and weaknesses, keeping the offense to mostly short passes.



    BTW this was Ponder's profile coming out of college
    "Doesn't own a Matthew Stafford-type howitzer, but has plenty of arm strength to make every NFL throw. Good zip on underneath routes; showcasing enough drive to push the ball through tight windows for the quick slant. Good timing and accuracy make up for a lack of a dominant arm for the deep-out. Effective deep-ball thrower; able to launch the ball 50-plus yards with velocity and trajectory."
    That Ponder scouting report is hilarious... as pretty much every point has been proven wrong. Also like how you don't provide a source to your one (1) scouting report... yet find fault with the 3 scouting reports I provided, with sources.

    Try to keep up though, child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    McKinnon could be the "other back" in the Viking's line up, in that he will be a bull mastiff where AD is a greyhound; I really expect him to be in our smash-mouth set, where we are trying to impose our will on the other team.

    As far as QBs, remember Joe Montana did not have a cannon either, and many scouts felt he would amount to a back up only. The point to saying that is Teddy could become one of those pin-point QBs who use short to medium pass plays to open up something deep... and when he goes deep, he can get it there.

    There is only so much you can get from scouting reports and workouts; in the end, it always comes down to how they do on the field. Bridgewater has shown that when the game starts, his ability elevates.

    I still like Manziel more, but I am happy with the Tedster. I LOVE the fact that he genuinely likes our team too!! Look at his face when he is tell his table the Vikings drafted him; there is the relief everyone has, but he looks very happy as well. I know I am seeing what I want to, but he has stressed quite a few times he was very happy with the Vikings, and very happy we took him.

    If you are just happy someone took you, you blow the expect smoke up your new team's ass then get to work. Teddy seems like he really wants to stress the point.
    Unlike Johnny who is pissed he got stuck in Cleveland.

    On McKinnon, I doubt he is a more powerful runner than AD and he might be faster.

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