View Poll Results: Who's the Vikings's biggest backup superstar?
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Rhett Ellison. TE/FB
Jarius Wright. WR
Everson Griffin, DE
Joe Webb, QB/WR
Toby Gerhart, RB
Thread: Vikings' Secret Superstar
Vikings' Secret Superstar
Every team has a player who deserves more credits than he receives from the casual fan. According to ProFootballFocus, Rhett Ellison was the Vikings' hidden gem last season.
Article: Secret Superstar: Rhett Ellison
(A good article, just ignore the one error: I'm sure Ellison is taller than Jim Kleinsasser. Must be a typo or something.)
Critics were saying that Rhett Ellison was drafted a little too early because he doesn't possess outstanding qualities. Personally, I think that using a 4th round pick on a durable high character "do-it-all" player is a draft pick well used. As the article above says, Ellison is the "Jack of All Trades":
Although his forte was his run blocking, Ellison graded positively in every facet of the game. He received a +2.8 grade for his pass blocking, where he gave up zero sacks and hits, and did not allow a QB pressure until the playoff game against the Packers. He wasnít targeted often as a receiver, but he made the most of his opportunities, posting a +1.6 grade on the season. Another impressive aspect of Ellisonís play was that he didnít commit a penalty the entire season.
He was our third-rated NFC fullback with a +9.3 grade on the season. He also had a +7.9 run blocking grade last year, good for second in the NFC. However, as good as Jerome Felton was last year, the wrong Vikingís fullback may have made the Pro-Bowl.
Enter Rhett Ellison. He played just 251 snaps at fullback, compared to Feltonís 402, but in those limited snaps he posted a +15.8 overall grade and a +9.8 grade in run blocking ó both good for tops in the NFC and second in the entire NFL.
How a player receives the label "secret" is up to the individual I guess. At first I thought the PFF article was going to be about John Sullivan as they've been praising him for years now, but I guess a player can't be considered much of a secret when he's the starter, and over multiple seasons as in the case of Sullivan. I think Ellison gets first place as the Vikings' Secret Superstar on my list if you emphasize "secret" since many Vikings fans probably don't even know who he is. Plus, he's maybe the most versatile player on the roster at the moment. However, when emphasizing "superstar" then Everson Griffen gets my vote. That might be because I payed closer attention to him last season, but he was fricken awesome last year!
Last edited by HEY; 05-30-2013 at 03:41 PM.
05-30-2013, 06:32 PM #2
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Who freaking picked Joe Webb as our biggest backup superstar? Seriously, did you not watch the playoff game last year? In fact, why is he even on this list? He isn't even a QB anymore, and he has done exactly zero as a WR. The other four have at least shown us what they can do at their respective positions.Zeus wrote:
When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?
05-30-2013, 07:06 PM #3
05-30-2013, 07:10 PM #4
Did you not watch Tuesday night football against the eagles? He did just fine there.. The playoff game in GB probably had more to do with Musgrave failing to adjust the gameplan to Webb's skill set than it does Webb's ability to play QB, but he's not a QB anymore so that's that.
He was just moved to WR, what exactly is it that you wanted him to accomplish thus far at the position?
05-30-2013, 07:16 PM #5
Not usually a fan of whats posted on BR, but I wanted to share these numbers.
Using Webb's pro day numbers (from NFLDraftScout) and comparing them to all receivers who attended the NFL combine between 1999 and 2013 (from nflcombineresults.com), one can see how rare Webb is:
40-yard dash: 4.44 seconds, which was in the top 20 percent of all receivers.
10-yard split: 1.54 seconds, in the top half of all receivers.
Vertical Jump: 42.5 inches, which was in the top percent of receivers.
Broad Jump: 137 inches, the top score of any receiver.
Short Shuttle: 4.04 seconds, in the top 10 percent of all receivers.
3-Cone Drill: 6.71 seconds, in the top 10 percent of all receivers.
Bench Press: 21 reps, in the top five percent of all receivers.Of the receivers whose full data are available, only Calvin Johnson outperformed Webb, with athletic luminaries like Greg Little and Vincent Jackson falling behind him. Given Webb's enormous hands (10.75 inches) and fantastic length (33.75 inches), he has even more to offer than his combine measureables.
06-02-2013, 12:24 PM #6
Well they sure as hell make a good argument for Ellison! Good Read! Got to love the down to earth, blue collar, get-er-done mentality of the kid for sure!! Perfect fit for our Vikings, and hopefully, plenty potential to be even better in the future. But, I had to vote for Everson Griffen.
He doesn't get very many snaps compared to the 2 starters in front of him, but he has consistently brought results when given an oppurtunity. Last year he racked up 8 sacks, 3 of which were in that last regular season game vs. the hated Packers. In St. Louis he dropped into coverage, much like a MLB, and picked off a pass for an impressive 29 yard TD return. As a young athlete who seems to be turning his life around and focusing on football, E-Griff has the athletic ability to succeed and with his growing experience the potential is there to someday out play Allen, and perhaps, given Allen's age, sooner than later.
Tho, Jared Allen is still getting it done too, and playing a hell of a lot of snaps according to this...
Got to wonder if he might hold up even better with E-Griff taking a few more of his reps...?Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!
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06-02-2013, 10:59 PM #7
06-03-2013, 03:41 AM #8
Rhett was brought in to replace one of my all time fav players.
he should be able to catch. but not his greatest point
he can road grade like his #'s sake..
he has the attitude
he's got the size..
now if he just had a stylish name like flyin saucer..
but I had to vote for EG.. in the limited reps he got, he was a factor. they tried to move him into a different position to utilize his abilities.. ended up back on the line, and he has shown he deserves to be there.
he will be a great DE, can shift to either side, and has the drive to keep getting better. I think JA has really pushed this kid, and i'm loving the development.
EG for me is a secret star waiting to emerge here in the near future.
"We tried to stick with it, but there was a point where we were beating our head against a wall," Seattle Coach Mora talking about running at the Williams Wall
06-03-2013, 07:26 AM #9
06-03-2013, 05:10 PM #10