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    All right ... it is time to clear everything up.

    It is ridiculous that people around here do not understand how Google works ... but the Vikings did not trade 2 third rounders for Toby Gerhart.

    The Vikings gave up pick No. 62 and pick No. 93 for pick No. 52. The only thing they gave up was ONE third round pick.

    Now, the argument over whether or not Gerhart was worth ONE extra pick (a third rounder) can be made. But everyone on here acting like we lost "3 potential starters" for a backup running back clearly needs to get things straight before getting back into the argument.

    I personally have little problem with the pick and kind of like Toby. I think he is a solid No. 2 runner and provides good depth when AD is either hurt or needs a breather. He also has been through ACL rehab before, so maybe he can help AD out in that regard. Sure, there were solid RBs that were drafted after him in the draft. But AT THE TIME ... backup RB appeared to be one of the needs on this team and it was addressed fairly well with a guy who has been productive when given the opportunity.

    The picks taken around that No. 62 spot we had before the trade: Brandon Spikes, Pat Angerer, Charles Brown, Jerome Murphy, Amari Spievey, Myron Lewis, Jon Asamoah, Jared Veldheer, Ed Dickson, Morgan Burnett, Alex Carrington, John Jerry and D'Anthony Smith.

    The picks taken around the No. 93 pick we had before the trade: Tony Moeaki, Kevin Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Brandon Ghee, Rennie Curran, Mike Johnson, Mardy Gilyard, Everson Griffen, Mike Williams, Darryl Sharpton, Perry Riley, Alterraun Verner, Trevard Lindley, Bruce Campbell, Marcus Easley, Jacoby Ford

    Not like we left a lot on the table there. There was no way we would be in the market for a TE like Jimmy Graham at that No. 93 pick. We still had Rice and Harvin, so thinking we would take Jacoby Ford would be a long shot.

    Where are all those surefire starters we passed on in that group? There are some nice players ... and no doubt if we picked the best of each pick (Graham and Spievey/or Burnett?) we would like it better. But in general, it is not like we passed on a bunch of world beaters for this pick.

    People acting like we gave up "3 potential starters" when we only traded ONE pick need to get their shit straight.
    You can find all this information with a simple search (2010 NFL Draft)

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    All right ... it is time to clear everything up.

    It is ridiculous that people around here do not understand how Google works ... but the Vikings did not trade 2 third rounders for Toby Gerhart.

    The Vikings gave up pick No. 62 and pick No. 93 for pick No. 52. The only thing they gave up was ONE third round pick.

    Now, the argument over whether or not Gerhart was worth ONE extra pick (a third rounder) can be made. But everyone on here acting like we lost "3 potential starters" for a backup running back clearly needs to get things straight before getting back into the argument.

    I personally have little problem with the pick and kind of like Toby. I think he is a solid No. 2 runner and provides good depth when AD is either hurt or needs a breather. He also has been through ACL rehab before, so maybe he can help AD out in that regard. Sure, there were solid RBs that were drafted after him in the draft. But AT THE TIME ... backup RB appeared to be one of the needs on this team and it was addressed fairly well with a guy who has been productive when given the opportunity.

    The picks taken around that No. 62 spot we had before the trade: Brandon Spikes, Pat Angerer, Charles Brown, Jerome Murphy, Amari Spievey, Myron Lewis, Jon Asamoah, Jared Veldheer, Ed Dickson, Morgan Burnett, Alex Carrington, John Jerry and D'Anthony Smith.

    The picks taken around the No. 93 pick we had before the trade: Tony Moeaki, Kevin Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Brandon Ghee, Rennie Curran, Mike Johnson, Mardy Gilyard, Everson Griffen, Mike Williams, Darryl Sharpton, Perry Riley, Alterraun Verner, Trevard Lindley, Bruce Campbell, Marcus Easley, Jacoby Ford

    Not like we left a lot on the table there. There was no way we would be in the market for a TE like Jimmy Graham at that No. 93 pick. We still had Rice and Harvin, so thinking we would take Jacoby Ford would be a long shot.

    Where are all those surefire starters we passed on in that group? There are some nice players ... and no doubt if we picked the best of each pick (Graham and Spievey/or Burnett?) we would like it better. But in general, it is not like we passed on a bunch of world beaters for this pick.

    People acting like we gave up "3 potential starters" when we only traded ONE pick need to get their shit straight.
    You can find all this information with a simple search (2010 NFL Draft)

    2010 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I guess the other thing to look at is would Toby be available when the Vikings picked at 62, I thought he would be but when you look at the next 2 backs that came off the board Tate and Hardesty they both went before that and Hardesty hasn't been as productive as Gerhart and the Texans did have to move up to get Ben Tate so it looks like the move was better than I though initially.

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    My problem isn't with Toby...I think he is a good back and will be a good player. We just didn't need him. I like his effort and he runs hard, I like that...but #2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnecticutViking View Post
    My problem isn't with Toby...I think he is a good back and will be a good player. We just didn't need him. I like his effort and he runs hard, I like that...but #2?
    Well Chester Taylor had just signed with the Bears so this was filling a need position

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikinggreg View Post
    Well Chester Taylor had just signed with the Bears so this was filling a need position
    Ok, you are right. The Vikings filled their third down back. A guy who plays 1/4 of the time with the 2nd round pick.....This is my point. You don't throw away a second round pick on a dude that plays so little, you can get that in free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnecticutViking View Post
    Ok, you are right. The Vikings filled their third down back. A guy who plays 1/4 of the time with the 2nd round pick.....This is my point. You don't throw away a second round pick on a dude that plays so little, you can get that in free agency.
    I don't recall the names that were available in FA that year but did Taylor get 7 mill for that year to fill the spot on the Bears, I'm not saying that was our biggest need but when I looked back at the draft that year it was a small pool of rb's compared to the next years draft and after Toby and Ben Tate were off the board there was a drop in the quality (production) of the backs that were picked

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    Just to add one more thing that isn't a shining endorsement of Toby but more a comment on how the Vikings did drafting that year but so far he might be the most productive player the Vikings drafted that year to play at the position he was drafted at...........and hasn't been arrested

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    true... but to midgensa's point... We didnt' need Jimmy graham and hindsight is 20/20.. but we did just go out and draft a TE in the top of round 2 a year later... but we didn't need a TE...

    I don't think many ppl have a problem with Toby.. it's just that we coulda found a better option and someone that can contribute more with a second round pick... AND without giving up an extra pick... it wasn't worth it for a guy while a decent player... only plays about 5-10 snaps a game and is the same type of player Peterson is only less athletic and slower...

    I'd of rather them done that for a faster more elusive and true change of pace back if your going to do that.. .not a slower pace back as a back up to the best runner in football...

    just saying... it was a wasted pick and unnecessary swap.. I'd even argue that the pick we gave up for the swap wasn't worth it either... a few of those LB's that got picked around that time we shore could of used back then and right now... And dont' try and sell us on Leber or EJ or even Greenway... neither of them can cover anything moving... decent tacklers tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedpurple View Post
    true... but to midgensa's point... We didnt' need Jimmy graham and hindsight is 20/20.. but we did just go out and draft a TE in the top of round 2 a year later... but we didn't need a TE...

    I don't think many ppl have a problem with Toby.. it's just that we coulda found a better option and someone that can contribute more with a second round pick... AND without giving up an extra pick... it wasn't worth it for a guy while a decent player... only plays about 5-10 snaps a game and is the same type of player Peterson is only less athletic and slower...

    I'd of rather them done that for a faster more elusive and true change of pace back if your going to do that.. .not a slower pace back as a back up to the best runner in football...

    just saying... it was a wasted pick and unnecessary swap.. I'd even argue that the pick we gave up for the swap wasn't worth it either... a few of those LB's that got picked around that time we shore could of used back then and right now... And dont' try and sell us on Leber or EJ or even Greenway... neither of them can cover anything moving... decent tacklers tho.
    Exactly! Everyone Likes Toby, nobody is saying he's not a good player. He plays hard, but we had other needs.

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    Bottom line, a Heisman runner up and many a team would love to have a consistent, hard runner like Toby.

    Plus he is a hell of a nice guy.

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