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    Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    You can say what you want about Tarvaris Jackson’s ineffectiveness, but the Vikings’ receivers did little to stretch the field
    Exactly! Yet some here believe it's all T-Jacks fault.

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "singersp" wrote:
    You can say what you want about Tarvaris Jackson’s ineffectiveness, but the Vikings’ receivers did little to stretch the field
    Exactly! Yet some here believe it's all T-Jacks fault.
    I watched the Giants game from last season again the other night.
    The 2nd play from scrimmage... wow... what a thing of beauty... play action... freezes the defense... gets a beautiful pocket established... looks the safety to the bottom of the screen and then flings a gorgeous pass to the top of the screen.
    I love watching the play.
    I can imagine seeing a lot more of it this year with Rice going down 1 side line, Berrian down the other, and some poor safety trying to figure out which one to help on.
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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    or the
    saftey wil bite ont rh
    Play action and run upto
    try and stop the run :P

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    You can say what you want about Tarvaris Jackson’s ineffectiveness, but the Vikings’ receivers did little to stretch the field
    Exactly! Yet some here believe it's all T-Jacks fault.
    I watched the Giants game from last season again the other night.
    The 2nd play from scrimmage... wow... what a thing of beauty... play action... freezes the defense... gets a beautiful pocket established... looks the safety to the bottom of the screen and then flings a gorgeous pass to the top of the screen.
    I love watching the play.
    I can imagine seeing a lot more of it this year with Rice going down 1 side line, Berrian down the other, and some poor safety trying to figure out which one to help on.
    Yes, that was a good play.
    Here it is again for you.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80487db2

    However, we dominated that game because our defense kept Eli Manning off his game.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80487d94

    I can acknowledge that the anemic Vikings pass offense is not all TJack's fault.
    But I think some others need to acknowledge that he has as much if not more to do with it than the WR corps does.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    Strong pieces of a team can compensate for mediocre parts of the team and that's often what you see.
    Someone like Favre or Peyton will always make their WRs and OLine look better because of their decision making and throwing abilities.
    When you put a bad receiving core with a mediocre pass blocking OLine and a newbie QB, everyone looks bad and it's really the fault of the collective sum.

    Better receivers would have gotten open faster and with more separation meaning the OLine wouldn't have had to hold blocks as long (or at all) and TJack would have had easier throws.

    Better OLine play would have given Receivers longer to get open or would have allowed TJack longer to survey the field or a better ability to step comfortably into a pass into tight coverage.

    Better QB play would have allowed Receivers who couldn't get wide open to still make a play for balls and wouldn't have required the OLine to hold blocks as long.

    It's really across the board that we were not good at Passing.
    Every single unit could have done better last year and honestly if any one of those groups had done better, the entire Passing offense would have looked better.
    This year we expect a more mature TJ who can make better throws (i.e. receivers look better) and faster decisions (i.e. the OLine looks better), a stronger Receiver group capable of getting more open (i.e. TJ doesn't have to make great throws) and can get open faster (i.e. the OLine doesn't have to hold blocks for long), and another year for the OLine in the blocking scheme and improved blocking by AD which should allow more time (i.e. Receivers have longer to find spots and TJ has longer to find them) and a more secure pocket (i.e. TJ is comfortable to step up and make a mechanically sound throw).
    If those things happen... welcome to the KAO we've been promised.
    Improvement in 1 of those areas will make us mediocre (from bad last year), improvement in 2 will make us good, and marked improvement in all 3 could mean a SB appearance.
    The true measure of a man is what he'd do knowing he'd never be found out.

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    You can say what you want about Tarvaris Jackson’s ineffectiveness, but the Vikings’ receivers did little to stretch the field
    Exactly! Yet some here believe it's all T-Jacks fault.
    I watched the Giants game from last season again the other night.
    The 2nd play from scrimmage... wow... what a thing of beauty... play action... freezes the defense... gets a beautiful pocket established... looks the safety to the bottom of the screen and then flings a gorgeous pass to the top of the screen.
    I love watching the play.
    I can imagine seeing a lot more of it this year with Rice going down 1 side line, Berrian down the other, and some poor safety trying to figure out which one to help on.
    Yes, that was a good play.
    Here it is again for you.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80487db2

    However, we dominated that game because our defense kept Eli Manning off his game.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80487d94

    I can acknowledge that the anemic Vikings pass offense is not all TJack's fault.
    But I think some others need to acknowledge that he has as much if not more to do with it than the WR corps does.
    That was an awesome play, but Rice needs to go up, get that ball and not wait for it to come down.
    He was lucky that the CB made a poor play on the ball as well.

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Strong pieces of a team can compensate for mediocre parts of the team and that's often what you see.
    Someone like Favre or Peyton will always make their WRs and OLine look better because of their decision making and throwing abilities.
    When you put a bad receiving core with a mediocre pass blocking OLine and a newbie QB, everyone looks bad and it's really the fault of the collective sum.

    Better receivers would have gotten open faster and with more separation meaning the OLine wouldn't have had to hold blocks as long (or at all) and TJack would have had easier throws.

    Better OLine play would have given Receivers longer to get open or would have allowed TJack longer to survey the field or a better ability to step comfortably into a pass into tight coverage.

    Better QB play would have allowed Receivers who couldn't get wide open to still make a play for balls and wouldn't have required the OLine to hold blocks as long.

    It's really across the board that we were not good at Passing.
    Every single unit could have done better last year and honestly if any one of those groups had done better, the entire Passing offense would have looked better.
    This year we expect a more mature TJ who can make better throws (i.e. receivers look better) and faster decisions (i.e. the OLine looks better), a stronger Receiver group capable of getting more open (i.e. TJ doesn't have to make great throws) and can get open faster (i.e. the OLine doesn't have to hold blocks for long), and another year for the OLine in the blocking scheme and improved blocking by AD which should allow more time (i.e. Receivers have longer to find spots and TJ has longer to find them) and a more secure pocket (i.e. TJ is comfortable to step up and make a mechanically sound throw).
    If those things happen... welcome to the KAO we've been promised.
    Improvement in 1 of those areas will make us mediocre (from bad last year), improvement in 2 will make us good, and marked improvement in all 3 could mean a SB appearance.
    Exactamundo!!!
    Right On!
    Love the 1 2 3 you finish with!!
    So True, and IMHO the biggest, single (triple), most important ingredient for increased success for this year's Minnesota Vikings.
    Just a bit of improvement in those three areas will lead to less three and outs, more open running lanes, more time of possesion, more offensive points scored, and a fresher, more dominant defense!!!!!

    The Triangle Of Passing Success is TOPS!!!!! ;D
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    Yes, that was a good play.
    Here it is again for you.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80487db2
    That's an awesome find, Nodak.

    What I loved most about it was Chester's TD run..
    It looked like he was snuffed out at the line of scrimmage, and instead, not only does he break those tackles, but makes a nice open field move to get the 6.
    Love it!

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Strong pieces of a team can compensate for mediocre parts of the team and that's often what you see.
    Someone like Favre or Peyton will always make their WRs and OLine look better because of their decision making and throwing abilities.
    When you put a bad receiving core with a mediocre pass blocking OLine and a newbie QB, everyone looks bad and it's really the fault of the collective sum.

    Better receivers would have gotten open faster and with more separation meaning the OLine wouldn't have had to hold blocks as long (or at all) and TJack would have had easier throws.

    Better OLine play would have given Receivers longer to get open or would have allowed TJack longer to survey the field or a better ability to step comfortably into a pass into tight coverage.

    Better QB play would have allowed Receivers who couldn't get wide open to still make a play for balls and wouldn't have required the OLine to hold blocks as long.

    It's really across the board that we were not good at Passing.
    Every single unit could have done better last year and honestly if any one of those groups had done better, the entire Passing offense would have looked better.
    This year we expect a more mature TJ who can make better throws (i.e. receivers look better) and faster decisions (i.e. the OLine looks better), a stronger Receiver group capable of getting more open (i.e. TJ doesn't have to make great throws) and can get open faster (i.e. the OLine doesn't have to hold blocks for long), and another year for the OLine in the blocking scheme and improved blocking by AD which should allow more time (i.e. Receivers have longer to find spots and TJ has longer to find them) and a more secure pocket (i.e. TJ is comfortable to step up and make a mechanically sound throw).
    If those things happen... welcome to the KAO we've been promised.
    Improvement in 1 of those areas will make us mediocre (from bad last year), improvement in 2 will make us good, and marked improvement in all 3 could mean a SB appearance.
    +3

    That is a perfect break down of how I feel about the Vikes offensive woes from last year.
    Way better than I could've put it.
    Vegans are eating the rainforests. =(

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    Re: Vikings Recent Receiving History Hardly Impressive

    "singersp" wrote:
    You can say what you want about Tarvaris Jackson’s ineffectiveness, but the Vikings’ receivers did little to stretch the field
    Exactly! Yet some here believe it's all T-Jacks fault.
    IT ALL T-JAKCSONS FAULT!
    HE WAS AT NO BIG COLLEGE PROGRAM AND HE WEARS A NECKLACE WHEN PLAYING QUARTERBACK AND HE SHOULD NOT HAVE NECKLACE HE SHOULD HAVE PLAYBOOK BECAUSE HE CAN'T THROW THE BALL GOOD!
    T-JOKES ON HIM LOL!
    IT HAS TO BE BOOTY TIME NOT BOOTY PLAYED FOR USC AND WON GAMES AND JACKSON PLAYED FOR SOME SCHOOL I DON'T KNOW AND DIDN'T WIN BIG GAMES LIKE PACT10!
    BOOOOOTY TIME TJOKE IS A LOOSER!!!1!one!!!

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