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    Re: The Vikings QB situation: Is disaster the word?

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    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=49241.msg870624#msg870624 date=1227993131]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=49241.msg870611#msg870611 date=1227989392]
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=49241.msg870600#msg870600 date=1227987096]

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. IMO if we had gone out on day 1 and gotten a top QB ( like Brees) we would have been in the playoffs both years. The team was one good QB away from being a playoff team and with Brees (or insert an alternative) we would have had that.

    With a good QB this year(And a ST coach) we would be strongly in the drivers seat of the division and only the Giants would be challenging us for the NFC title. We have had our expectations lowered so lowered by the performance of the staff that just getting to the point where we are mediocre seems like an accomplishment. The talent Wilf has brought in should have us at the point where we are dominant in the division, not just average.
    I'll disagree with that. Apparently you have forgotten how poor our OL was both years & how mediocre the WR core was as well.
    2007 as a wild card yes, but not in 2006.

    Our top two receivers in 2006 were Travis Taylor & Mewelde Moore. Our line had more holes in it than a Cheesehead hat & Childress was constantly swapping linemen.
    It hasn't really changed IMO. We have basically the same starters as last year and 4 out of 5 from 2006 don't we? Yes, the line play was not what I would like but we were still close and having somebody who could be a leader in the huddle and make things happen would have made the line play better. The line was not good enough to get us to the SB and it isn't good enough today, but a better QB could have gotten us to the playoffs.
    Nope. The whole right side of the line changed. In 2006 we started with Hicks & Johnson on the right side. Cook didn't start until week 12. Rosenthal also started for 3 games that year along side Cook.
    Didn't you just say that Cook and hicks played on the right side in 2006? Who plays on the right side this year next to Herrera? Cook and hicks or somebody else?
    If Hicks or Cook started on the right side in 2006 then what I said was correct.
    In 2006 Hicks & Johnson (not Cook) started together for the first 11 games. Then it was Cook & Rosenthal.
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    thank you for proving my point.
    [/quote]

    You proved nothing. The line in 2006 was as porous as hell & had difficulty learning a new blocking scheme.
    giving up 43 sacks. A good QB would have been scrambling for his life back then. Obviously 3 years later they have learned somrthing.

    We might have won a few more games, but finishing 8-8 wouldn't have catapulted us to the playoffs with that line & with T-Will as our WR.
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    Don't go busting on Twill or Singer will hound your ass relentlessly about it.

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    Re: The Vikings QB situation: Is disaster the word?

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=49241.msg871839#msg871839 date=1228223028]
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=49241.msg870624#msg870624 date=1227993131]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=49241.msg870611#msg870611 date=1227989392]
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=49241.msg870600#msg870600 date=1227987096]

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. IMO if we had gone out on day 1 and gotten a top QB ( like Brees) we would have been in the playoffs both years. The team was one good QB away from being a playoff team and with Brees (or insert an alternative) we would have had that.

    With a good QB this year(And a ST coach) we would be strongly in the drivers seat of the division and only the Giants would be challenging us for the NFC title. We have had our expectations lowered so lowered by the performance of the staff that just getting to the point where we are mediocre seems like an accomplishment. The talent Wilf has brought in should have us at the point where we are dominant in the division, not just average.
    I'll disagree with that. Apparently you have forgotten how poor our OL was both years & how mediocre the WR core was as well.
    2007 as a wild card yes, but not in 2006.

    Our top two receivers in 2006 were Travis Taylor & Mewelde Moore. Our line had more holes in it than a Cheesehead hat & Childress was constantly swapping linemen.
    It hasn't really changed IMO. We have basically the same starters as last year and 4 out of 5 from 2006 don't we? Yes, the line play was not what I would like but we were still close and having somebody who could be a leader in the huddle and make things happen would have made the line play better. The line was not good enough to get us to the SB and it isn't good enough today, but a better QB could have gotten us to the playoffs.
    Nope. The whole right side of the line changed. In 2006 we started with Hicks & Johnson on the right side. Cook didn't start until week 12. Rosenthal also started for 3 games that year along side Cook.
    Didn't you just say that Cook and hicks played on the right side in 2006? Who plays on the right side this year next to Herrera? Cook and hicks or somebody else?
    If Hicks or Cook started on the right side in 2006 then what I said was correct.
    In 2006 Hicks & Johnson (not Cook) started together for the first 11 games. Then it was Cook & Rosenthal.
    [/quote]

    thank you for proving my point.
    [/quote]

    You proved nothing. The line in 2006 was as porous as hell & had difficulty learning a new blocking scheme.
    giving up 43 sacks. A good QB would have been scrambling for his life back then. Obviously 3 years later they have learned somrthing.

    We might have won a few more games, but finishing 8-8 wouldn't have catapulted us to the playoffs with that line & with T-Will as our WR.
    [/quote]

    Don't go busting on Twill or Singer will hound your ass relentlessly about it.
    [/quote]

    I'm not a fan of T-Will's, but when people claim he dropped every pass thrown to him or only caught 3 yard passes, it's just shear ignorance of the facts.

    I even eluded to the fact that he was not good enough in my post. You must have missed it;

    8-8 wouldn't have catapulted us to the playoffs with that line & with T-Will as our WR.

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