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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    Disagree that runners beat 8-man fronts. Are you kidding me ? Runners break off big runs when the defense is trying to take the pass away.

    And the big passes come when the defense is trying to take the run away.

    Football 101.
    SP must have never seen a Chargers game. LT faces them every game. Taylor has also run against them & with better success.
    Or a Lions game when Barry was playing.

    ;D
    but Barry was a freak of nature, and no runner may ever be compared to him when it comes to avoiding tackles.
    Barry was a very unique critter but don't you feel AD is as well?


    Truth of the matter is there are alot of ways a RB can beat a 8 man front and most of it is being smart on how he runs against them.

    I saw a series of slides on plays once (I will try to find it/them) on how the Lions ran against stacked boxes.
    All of the plays were running plays.

    Again, this isn't something new and there have been some smart coaches over the years who have come up with ways to negate it.
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

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    Thanks for the read my friend.

    I've said it alot on here, but it is worth highlighting again.



    Backs have been beating 8 man fronts for years when teams didn't have a passing game. It isn't like they just invented it halfway through the season last year.
    Truth of the matter is that by teaching him to recognize what the defense is doing it will help him in the long run when it comes to running against them.

    I really am looking forward to watching this kid run this year.
    He is gonna out do AD of last year by a significant mark.

    IMO it's not so much Peterson recognizing the defense as it is preventing the defense from knowing what's coming.
    Last year if Peterson was in we weren't passing. They knew if he was in the game he was most likely getting the ball and are just going to have LBs fill gaps and the secondary will essentially put pass protection as a second priority.

    If Taylor was in the game they were expecting the pass, which is how he broke those big runs.


    With the maturation of Tarvaris Jackson and Peterson's improved blocking ability there's no reason AD shouldn't make even 8 man fronts look like high school teams.
    Couldn't agree more especially with your first comment.

    Again, that all comes down to AD being a better back.
    Knowing how to pickup a blitz in the passing game as well as knowing how to do the little things in the running game that both compliment each other.

    By the way you have been strangley quite of late my friend.
    We need more quality like this out of you....... ;D
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

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    I have watched my share of Charger games in which the defense totally took L.T. out of the game by stacking the box.
    You must watch a lot of Chargers games because LT doesn't get shut down very often.
    You don't rush for 2000 yards a season by getting shut down several times a year.
    He has never rushed for over 2000 yds in the NFL, he racked up 40 yds on the ground against the Vikings last year.
    I was rounding up.


    I pointed out he doesn't get shut down very often.
    For someone to watch a "share" of chargers games where LT got shut down, they would have to have watched a lot of games because he doesn't get shut down very often.

    I was at the game last year and believe me, I remember it well, and I remember rubbing it into all the Charger fans there with LT jerseys on.
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

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    I have watched my share of Charger games in which the defense totally took L.T. out of the game by stacking the box.
    You must watch a lot of Chargers games because LT doesn't get shut down very often.
    You don't rush for 2000 yards a season by getting shut down several times a year.
    He has never rushed for over 2000 yds in the NFL, he racked up 40 yds on the ground against the Vikings last year.
    I was rounding up.


    I pointed out he doesn't get shut down very often.
    For someone to watch a "share" of chargers games where LT got shut down, they would have to have watched a lot of games because he doesn't get shut down very often.

    I was at the game last year and believe me, I remember it well, and I remember rubbing it into all the Charger fans there with LT jerseys on.
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    Disagree that runners beat 8-man fronts. Are you kidding me ? Runners break off big runs when the defense is trying to take the pass away.

    And the big passes come when the defense is trying to take the run away.

    Football 101.
    SP must have never seen a Chargers game. LT faces them every game. Taylor has also run against them & with better success.
    Or a Lions game when Barry was playing.

    ;D
    but Barry was a freak of nature, and no runner may ever be compared to him when it comes to avoiding tackles.
    Barry was a very unique critter but don't you feel AD is as well?


    Truth of the matter is there are alot of ways a RB can beat a 8 man front and most of it is being smart on how he runs against them.

    I saw a series of slides on plays once (I will try to find it/them) on how the Lions ran against stacked boxes.
    All of the plays were running plays.

    Again, this isn't something new and there have been some smart coaches over the years who have come up with ways to negate it.

    yes, AD is a "very uninque critter"
    he has the ability to go around your, or through you, which is rare, but IMO, he doesn't even come close to comparing to Barry Sanders.
    There will never be another Barry Sanders.

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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    "Prophet" wrote:
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    I have watched my share of Charger games in which the defense totally took L.T. out of the game by stacking the box.
    You must watch a lot of Chargers games because LT doesn't get shut down very often.
    You don't rush for 2000 yards a season by getting shut down several times a year.
    He has never rushed for over 2000 yds in the NFL, he racked up 40 yds on the ground against the Vikings last year.
    I was rounding up.


    I pointed out he doesn't get shut down very often.
    For someone to watch a "share" of chargers games where LT got shut down, they would have to have watched a lot of games because he doesn't get shut down very often.

    I was at the game last year and believe me, I remember it well, and I remember rubbing it into all the Charger fans there with LT jerseys on.
    ;D
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    [quote author=StillPurple link=topic=46948.msg818450#msg818450 date=1218518169]
    Disagree that runners beat 8-man fronts. Are you kidding me ? Runners break off big runs when the defense is trying to take the pass away.

    And the big passes come when the defense is trying to take the run away.

    Football 101.
    SP must have never seen a Chargers game. LT faces them every game. Taylor has also run against them & with better success.
    Or a Lions game when Barry was playing.

    ;D
    but Barry was a freak of nature, and no runner may ever be compared to him when it comes to avoiding tackles.
    Barry was a very unique critter but don't you feel AD is as well?


    Truth of the matter is there are alot of ways a RB can beat a 8 man front and most of it is being smart on how he runs against them.

    I saw a series of slides on plays once (I will try to find it/them) on how the Lions ran against stacked boxes.
    All of the plays were running plays.

    Again, this isn't something new and there have been some smart coaches over the years who have come up with ways to negate it.

    yes, AD is a "very uninque critter"
    he has the ability to go around your, or through you, which is rare, but IMO, he doesn't even come close to comparing to Barry Sanders.
    There will never be another Barry Sanders.[/quote]
    I will give you that last one, however, for this discussion, AD should be alot better at doing things that Barry did, i.e. setting up his blockers, reading what the defense is gonna do etc which will help him in this regard.

    Again, a passing game will help but improvements in those areas (as the article points out) will make him a more effective runner against those stacked boxes.
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    I think really, the point is, this season AD shouldn't have to go up against stacked boxes.

    You'll notice, that AD didn't do too bad against 8 men in the box, as thats what he had most of the season.
    its when they completely ignored the pass and put 9 (ie. 49ers game)
    thats when things got bad.
    Add to the fact that there's young players like Hererra and Cook in there, it will be hard to run against 9 guys.
    Remember, Barry Sanders had some of the most impressive runs in history, but he also had some of the biggest losses.

    He did so well because he had such good change of direction and speed, he could run one way, run back, and when the line tires out, he'd burn right by them.
    AD doesn't posess that kind of speed or quickness.
    don't get me wrong, he's very fast and quick, but Barry was a freak.

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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

    Never gets old watching Sanders' highlights:

    [youtube=425,350]7T4oNJJYwNU[/youtube]

    Watching Purple Jesus doesn't get ole either:

    [youtube=425,350]hyD_I4fTw-4&feature=related[/youtube]

    It appears to me that AD is more of a downhill, get the fuck out of my way, see you later back than Sanders was.
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    Re: Vikings' Peterson will be even better

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    It appears to me that AD is more of a downhill, get the fuck out of my way, see you later back than Sanders was.
    I'm not saying AD is as maneuverable as Barry Sanders, but it looks like he can turn on a dime too.

    Man... Sanders is fun to watch.
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