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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

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    The thing is you could go through EVERY single team in the NFL and make a list of first round busts. The reasoning for me anyway is that College football and professional football are two different sports all together. There are no sure things for any team.
    Look at the Browns 1st round picks since '99 when they came back to Cleveland. Talk about busts!
    Aren't several of them starting on the D line for Denver now?
    I used to be indecisive, now I m not so sure!

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    They're starting and playing pretty good too

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    McKinnie still has yet to play up to the no. 7th overall pick...he gives up way too many sacks to speed rushers. He could dominate with his size on the college level, but now, not so much.

    And to say you could compile a list of first round busts for every body, while true, ignores the fact at how poor, throughout, the Vikings have drafted. The one notable draft, that provided depth (which was an excellent through and through draft by this organization) was the one that gave us Kevin Williams, EJ Henderson (who is developing into a solid, if not stellar, linebacker...I guess I've got a soft spot for him though), Nate Burleson, and Onterrio Smith (easily our best running back when he gets on the field). But besides that, we've drafted very poorly

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    isnt hovan having a good season in tampa? So far McKinnie has finally developed into the pass blocking monster we wanted him to be and he is getting a lot better on run blocking. We also got a great sixth rounder who performs like a round 1 player who goes by the name of Matt Birk.

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    After seeing the Detroit game...I'm glad we didn't get Mike Williams. He's slow...and seems to have picked up pouting from Joey. Looked like he didn't even want to be playing the second half.

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    how can u guys say Mckinnie isnt living up to his 7th pick overall during the season he is having he will definetely be a pro bowler this year he is the only bright spot we have on the O-line period

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    "KillaKeller_Nd" wrote:
    how can u guys say Mckinnie isnt living up to his 7th pick overall during the season he is having he will definetely be a pro bowler this year he is the only bright spot we have on the O-line period
    Hello Bubba_ND.

    Why do you keep coming back.

    Find a new home please.

    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    Vikes picks since 94 in the first round and who we passed on that was taken shortly there after ...
    94 - Steussie (18), Washington (19) - None significant
    95 - Alexander (11) Stringer (24) - Sapp at 12 and D.Brooks at 25
    96 - Clemons (16) - Ray Lewis at 26, M. Harrison at 18 (but would mean no Moss)
    97 - Rudd - None significant
    98 - Moss - None worth mentioining around Moss
    99 - Culpepper (11), Underwood (29) - P. Kerney at 30, A. Wilson at 31
    00 - Hovan (25) - None significant
    01 - Bennett (27) - C. Johnson at 36, but needed a RB not WR
    02 - McKinnie (7) - D. Freeney at 11
    03 - K-Will (9) - None significant
    04 - Udeze (18) - Gamble at 28 and we would have healthy C-Pep.

    There you have it. A lot of solid picks there - Steussie, Washington, Stringer, Moss, C-Pep, K-Will, McKinnie and Udeze. McKinnie will get to the pro bowl this year maybe, although I would prefer Freeney in hind sight. Bennett was the right pick, Hovan was also a fairly solid play and there was not a lot of talent in that area of that draft. Having Ray Lewis instead of Clemons and W.Sapp over Alexander would be nice, but overall, a decent job drafting in the top round. Since 94 we have had TWO first round picks four times, that seems like a lot.

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "Del Rio" wrote:
    The thing is you could go through EVERY single team in the NFL and make a list of first round busts. The reasoning for me anyway is that College football and professional football are two different sports all together. There are no sure things for any team.
    Look at the Browns 1st round picks since '99 when they came back to Cleveland. Talk about busts!
    Damn straight they are
    Couch, C. Brown, Warren, Green, Faine, Winslow ... not a lot of production there.

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    Re: Vikings past first round picks (flops & nuts)

    Just to show you how hard drafting in the NFL is, look at this list of No. 1 and No. 2 OVERALL picks since 1975:
    1s: Tom Cousineau (79), Kenneth Sims (82), Aundray Bruce (88), Jeff George (90), Steve Emtman (92), Dan Wilkinson (94), Ki-Jana Carter (95), Tim Couch (99), Courtney Brown (00)
    2s: Steve Niehaus (76), Mike Bell (79), Johnny Jones (80), Johnnie Cooks (82), Dean Steinkuhler (84), Tony Casillas (86), Tony Manderich (89), Blair Thomas (90), Quintin Coryatt (92), Rick Mirer (93), Ryan Leaf (98), Leonard Davis (01)

    A combined 0 Pro Bowls among them. I mean, who the hell is Aundray Bruce and Johnnie Cooks anyways?

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