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    I've had these thoughts since the Saints beat the Vikings and after all of the complaints,moans,comments,etc about the hits Favre took and the hits Brees is going to take,I thought I'd ask on here.I'll admit that I'm young and haven't watched as much football as most of you.
    So, the questions are, Why did Favre take so many hits? Why were the Saints able to pound him like they did, legal hits or not? The same with Brees.We've all read the "KILL BREES" and "ALLEN IS GONNA BREAK BREES KNEES" and "REVENGE!"When it comes to how we're going to treat Brees. WHY didn't or couldn't they do it the last game? I've blamed our OL for the loss since the game ended.Are our lines over rated? Has the team done enough to imrove during the off season?
    Any answers? I'm just a young guy who dreams of the Vikings winning a Superbowl. Pre-season sports articles are full of so much propaganda, you don't really know whats legit or not
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    I would like to remind everyone that our OL gave up 0 sacks that game. Yes some of it is Farve but a lot of it was due to the Oline. A late hit can occur on almost every play. It's up to the refs to protect the Qbs by limiting the late hits on them. They did not. Our line men did not go for the killer late hit(minus Ray edwards' slam of Brees).

    I cannot really answer your question because... we hit Brees and pressured him often. We pulled up when it was no longer legal to. They did not.

    The two biggest hits were on ...
    1) The handoff where the defender purposely hit Farve.
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    2) The dive and crawl up Farve's legs that lead to the INT and injury.
    3) Farve was hardly battered that game. Those two hits were late and illegal and caused the injuries.

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    Our defensive line isn't overrated. It's one of the best if not the best in the NFL. They've demonstrated this against the run and with the pass rush since Jared Allen arrived.

    Getting a pass rush against any team is hard, more so against a great QB that gets the ball away standing behind a pretty good offensive line. Nonetheless, in that game the Vikes defense held up well, and my memory was that the pass rush was okay if not dominant.

    I think the Vikings' offensive line is overrated by many. McKinnie and Hutchinson are big names, but McKinnie is an about average starter at left tackle and Hutchinson seemed to battle through injuries last year. The pass protection overall last year was still pretty good, though Favre seemed to have a tendency to hold onto it and take a sack rather than force it many times. The run blocking was hideous in my opinion.

    Against the Saints, I thought the O-line performed well. The Saints came in with the idea that they were going to hit Favre before or after the whistle, before or after the ball had left his hands. They didn't really get called for it, and their strategy paid off. Such is life in the NFL. But the team didn't give up any sacks and Favre completed a decent percentage of his passes (61%), and I don't recall him chucking a bunch of them into the stands or the turf to avoid a sack.

    So, again, O-line is overrated in my opinion, the D-line is not. I hope the O-line changes my mind this year.
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    I felt like our defense did a pretty good job of getting to Brees in that game honestly.

    Our D-Line is very solid and really gets a lot of push ... even the reserves are high-motor guys.

    I personally think that our offensive line is pretty good, but around these parts people love to bash on them.

    Defensive fronts and defensive schemes have become so crazy that a lot of QBs get hit a lot in some games and not in others ... just the nature of the beast. I imagine we will be much-better prepared for the Saints and Gregg Williams attack this time around.

    Only time will tell though ... and the final score.

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    Our defense played well. We got to Brees.

    You can't turn the ball over 5 times and still go to overtime without playing good defense, and against the Saints good defense means getting to the QB.


    We kicked their ass. We just beat ourselves worse.

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    kevoncox wrote:
    I would like to remind everyone that our OL gave up 0 sacks that game. Yes some of it is Farve but a lot of it was due to the Oline. A late hit can occur on almost every play. It's up to the refs to protect the Qbs by limiting the late hits on them. They did not. Our line men did not go for the killer late hit(minus Ray edwards' slam of Brees).

    I cannot really answer your question because... we hit Brees and pressured him often. We pulled up when it was no longer legal to. They did not.

    The two biggest hits were on ...
    1) The handoff where the defender purposely hit Farve.
    and
    2) The dive and crawl up Farve's legs that lead to the INT and injury.
    3) Farve was hardly battered that game. Those two hits were late and illegal and caused the injuries.
    I don't believe it could be explained any better.
    Especially the part about the refs protecting the QB from a late hit.
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