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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    They're having an identity crisis... that's for GODDAMNED sure.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    Really it has not been that bad.
    Just TJ and now AD.
    So I really do not think that fits.
    How about Holcolm and taylor? they missed games. Have none of our WR's or OL missed games this year?
    Holcomb?
    Do you really think having him injured hurt this team at all?

    And when CT was hurt we still had the best RB is the NFL.

    It's not as if Hutch got hurt and we were sucking at that position.
    Don't know how any of the injuries have hurt us for sure. Holcolm's may be more substantial that Jackson's for all we really know at this point.

    I only brought up the fact that we have had some injuries on offense and the purple heart thing was a little humorous. Nothing more.
    Ok, just lucky for us they have not been key injuries, other than AD but we got CT there to fill in.

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "C" wrote:
    They're having an identity crisis... that's for GODDAMNED sure.
    No we have an offensive identity







    It's just not a good one.

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
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    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    That pretty much sums up our offensive identity, oh and also yelling at the other coach "Don't worry about those crazy liberal plays like "play action" and draws, cause you won't see play action and you'll only see draws on 3rd and forever."

    Our offense is a joke, I'd rather go back to losing to the Giants and Falcons in the playoffs with the Denny Green era than the lets not win or go to the playoffs Childress era so far.
    I mean for crying out loud, atleast Tice WON a playoff game.
    To be honest, with Peterson, Taylor, Kleinsasser, Richardson, Birk, Mckinney, and Hutcinson, no defense should be able to stop our running attack.

    I think we have an offensive identity. We run the ball. Thus, if you stop the run, you will beat us.

    Yeah, we never us playaction. We didn't use it against KC, or Chicago. Maybe we never tried the playaction because the run wasn't working well enough to set it up. Maybe the Vikings saw a strong safety and LB corps, and tried to attack the defense's weakness instead.

    Making harsh criticisms about the entire offensive scheme based on one game is sad IMO. You could have said this comment:

    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    after the San Diego game...minus the sarcasm.
    Playaction requires several key elements:

    1.
    The threat of the run (we have this)
    2.
    Good pass blocking (we don't have this)
    3.
    A average QB at best (we don't have this)
    4.
    A threat at WR (we don't have this)
    5.
    An offensive minded coach (we don't have this)


    See, it's easy to be a armchair coach and say what we should do and should not do.
    Even though Chilly has yet to have any success I would wager that he and at least some of the coaches around him have a better grasp on the execution than any of us.
    Which means, can't execute what we are uncapable of executing.

    Not to mention that it also requires a productive passing game in order to execute successful draw plays consistently...and it goes round and round.
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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Schutz" wrote:
    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    That pretty much sums up our offensive identity, oh and also yelling at the other coach "Don't worry about those crazy liberal plays like "play action" and draws, cause you won't see play action and you'll only see draws on 3rd and forever."

    Our offense is a joke, I'd rather go back to losing to the Giants and Falcons in the playoffs with the Denny Green era than the lets not win or go to the playoffs Childress era so far.
    I mean for crying out loud, atleast Tice WON a playoff game.
    To be honest, with Peterson, Taylor, Kleinsasser, Richardson, Birk, Mckinney, and Hutcinson, no defense should be able to stop our running attack.

    I think we have an offensive identity. We run the ball. Thus, if you stop the run, you will beat us.

    Yeah, we never us playaction. We didn't use it against KC, or Chicago. Maybe we never tried the playaction because the run wasn't working well enough to set it up. Maybe the Vikings saw a strong safety and LB corps, and tried to attack the defense's weakness instead.

    Making harsh criticisms about the entire offensive scheme based on one game is sad IMO. You could have said this comment:

    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    after the San Diego game...minus the sarcasm.
    Playaction requires several key elements:

    1.
    The threat of the run (we have this)
    2.
    Good pass blocking (we don't have this)
    3.
    A average QB at best (we don't have this)
    4.
    A threat at WR (we don't have this)
    5.
    An offensive minded coach (we don't have this)

    See, it's easy to be a armchair coach and say what we should do and should not do.
    Even though Chilly has yet to have any success I would wager that he and at least some of the coaches around him have a better grasp on the execution than any of us.
    Which means, can't execute what we are uncapable of executing.
    Get out of here, I'm not a Head Coach in the NFL? OH NO, you're right I'll stop giving my opinion on our Kick jiggly butt offense....................Oh wait no I won't.

    And the Chargers game AP won that game, not chilly dawg, he has the offensive playcalling ability of my high school football coach, RUNNERRRRR UP THE GUHHHT.

    And you guys are saying that are team stinks too much so we shouldn't attempt playaction even though what we're doing isn't working?
    Wow, you're right again, I have full faith in Chilly Dawgs 9-16 lifetime record.

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "Schutz" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Schutz" wrote:
    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    That pretty much sums up our offensive identity, oh and also yelling at the other coach "Don't worry about those crazy liberal plays like "play action" and draws, cause you won't see play action and you'll only see draws on 3rd and forever."

    Our offense is a joke, I'd rather go back to losing to the Giants and Falcons in the playoffs with the Denny Green era than the lets not win or go to the playoffs Childress era so far.
    I mean for crying out loud, atleast Tice WON a playoff game.
    To be honest, with Peterson, Taylor, Kleinsasser, Richardson, Birk, Mckinney, and Hutcinson, no defense should be able to stop our running attack.

    I think we have an offensive identity. We run the ball. Thus, if you stop the run, you will beat us.

    Yeah, we never us playaction. We didn't use it against KC, or Chicago. Maybe we never tried the playaction because the run wasn't working well enough to set it up. Maybe the Vikings saw a strong safety and LB corps, and tried to attack the defense's weakness instead.

    Making harsh criticisms about the entire offensive scheme based on one game is sad IMO. You could have said this comment:

    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    after the San Diego game...minus the sarcasm.
    Playaction requires several key elements:

    1.
    The threat of the run (we have this)
    2.
    Good pass blocking (we don't have this)
    3.
    A average QB at best (we don't have this)
    4.
    A threat at WR (we don't have this)
    5.
    An offensive minded coach (we don't have this)

    See, it's easy to be a armchair coach and say what we should do and should not do.
    Even though Chilly has yet to have any success I would wager that he and at least some of the coaches around him have a better grasp on the execution than any of us.
    Which means, can't execute what we are uncapable of executing.
    Get out of here, I'm not a Head Coach in the NFL? OH NO, you're right I'll stop giving my opinion on our Kick jiggly butt offense....................Oh wait no I won't.

    And the Chargers game AP won that game, not chilly dawg, he has the offensive playcalling ability of my high school football coach, RUNNERRRRR UP THE GUHHHT.

    And you guys are saying that are team stinks too much so we shouldn't attempt playaction even though what we're doing isn't working?
    Wow, you're right again, I have full faith in Chilly Dawgs 9-16 lifetime record.
    That was not directed at anybody in particular.

    Sorry if you thought I was aiming that at you (more in the direction of "V")

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity


    We can't develope a complete identity until the revolving door stops at QB. The O-line is settling down after Childress made Herrera the starter over Hicks, and now we need Tarvaris to play the rest of the season. We are a running team, and a timing pass offense, 3, and 5 step drops and out with the ball. Execution, or the lack of has kept us from establishing a identity on offense. It keeps us from scoring, converting third downs, completing passes.....Winning.

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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "Schutz" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Schutz" wrote:
    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    That pretty much sums up our offensive identity, oh and also yelling at the other coach "Don't worry about those crazy liberal plays like "play action" and draws, cause you won't see play action and you'll only see draws on 3rd and forever."

    Our offense is a joke, I'd rather go back to losing to the Giants and Falcons in the playoffs with the Denny Green era than the lets not win or go to the playoffs Childress era so far.
    I mean for crying out loud, atleast Tice WON a playoff game.
    To be honest, with Peterson, Taylor, Kleinsasser, Richardson, Birk, Mckinney, and Hutcinson, no defense should be able to stop our running attack.

    I think we have an offensive identity. We run the ball. Thus, if you stop the run, you will beat us.

    Yeah, we never us playaction. We didn't use it against KC, or Chicago. Maybe we never tried the playaction because the run wasn't working well enough to set it up. Maybe the Vikings saw a strong safety and LB corps, and tried to attack the defense's weakness instead.

    Making harsh criticisms about the entire offensive scheme based on one game is sad IMO. You could have said this comment:

    "Hey other coach" says Brad Childress "We're going to run up the gut like 20 times today, see if you can stop this kick jiggly butt offense!"

    after the San Diego game...minus the sarcasm.
    Playaction requires several key elements:

    1.
    The threat of the run (we have this)
    2.
    Good pass blocking (we don't have this)
    3.
    A average QB at best (we don't have this)
    4.
    A threat at WR (we don't have this)
    5.
    An offensive minded coach (we don't have this)

    See, it's easy to be a armchair coach and say what we should do and should not do.
    Even though Chilly has yet to have any success I would wager that he and at least some of the coaches around him have a better grasp on the execution than any of us.
    Which means, can't execute what we are uncapable of executing.
    Get out of here, I'm not a Head Coach in the NFL? OH NO, you're right I'll stop giving my opinion on our Kick jiggly butt offense....................Oh wait no I won't.

    And the Chargers game AP won that game, not chilly dawg, he has the offensive playcalling ability of my high school football coach, RUNNERRRRR UP THE GUHHHT.

    And you guys are saying that are team stinks too much so we shouldn't attempt playaction even though what we're doing isn't working?
    Wow, you're right again, I have full faith in Chilly Dawgs 9-16 lifetime record.
    That was not directed at anybody in particular.

    Sorry if you thought I was aiming that at you (more in the direction of "V")

    Well, in that case, I agree with everything you said. Point is, when running it up the gut works, we give AD credit, but when it doesn't work, we blame Childress. Doesn't make sense to me.

    If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic in my previous post. We have used playaction before effectively, but we have not been able to do it consistently, for the reasons ultra stated above.
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    Re: Vikings offensive identity

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    Something's got to change.

    To win the Super Bowl, a team needs an offense that can run and pass, and a defense that can stop the run and stop the pass. You need multiple stars on both offense and defense. You need excellent special teams play.

    Childress has massively improved rushing offense and defense. He has not yet improved the passing game on either side of the ball. There are signs the secondary coverage is coming together, but that's it.

    At this point, we have one offensive superstar, AD. Maybe Steve Hutchison also qualifies. Matt Birk is past his prime. On defense, we have KWill. EJ and Greenway look like they might break into stardom at some point. Out of this whole group, when Childress arrived, we had KWill and a struggling EJ, nobody else. Now we have this nice, developing nucleus of talent. We need more stars, but Childress has made progress.

    The main problem I am having is I am starting to think that perhaps our offensive scheme would work well in college, but does not have enough deception, stretching the defense, or surprises to overcome a pro defense. Secondly, our pass rush is anemic because KWill doesn't have help in that area.

    These thoughts lead me to think that Coach Childress should adjust the offensive scheme. I think the best OC we've had in recent years has been Linehan, and I would like to see him as OC again next year. Alternatively, we should emulate his plays from the 2004 season.

    Cheers!
    Please don't say Linehan... he was better than who we have now.. but still GOD AWFUL!!!
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