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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "C" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Comeon my friend, do you actually think the Defense wouldn't at least cover him with a CB and possibly roll a S that way?

    I can just see Lovey now..........

    When that speedster T-will runs a deep route, don't worry about him, stay up and anticipate the run or a crossing patter to Rice.
    We can just leave him open cause the guy can't catch and the QB's don't have thier timing down yet.


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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38693.msg653478#msg653478 date=1192194348]
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Comeon my friend, do you actually think the Defense wouldn't at least cover him with a CB and possibly roll a S that way?

    I can just see Lovey now..........

    When that speedster T-will runs a deep route, don't worry about him, stay up and anticipate the run or a crossing patter to Rice.
    We can just leave him open cause the guy can't catch and the QB's don't have thier timing down yet.



    [/quote]

    I think they would leave a CB on him, but I highly doubt they would put a safety over the top in a red zone situation.
    There simply is no need.
    Instead, move the safety over Rice.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=38693.msg653479#msg653479 date=1192195038]
    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38693.msg653478#msg653478 date=1192194348]
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Comeon my friend, do you actually think the Defense wouldn't at least cover him with a CB and possibly roll a S that way?

    I can just see Lovey now..........

    When that speedster T-will runs a deep route, don't worry about him, stay up and anticipate the run or a crossing patter to Rice.
    We can just leave him open cause the guy can't catch and the QB's don't have thier timing down yet.



    [/quote]

    I think they would leave a CB on him, but I highly doubt they would put a safety over the top in a red zone situation.
    There simply is no need.
    Instead, move the safety over Rice.
    [/quote]

    The Pack played him with one DB, no help.
    No Respect!
    He hasn't beaten anyone yet.
    Not since DC was here. LOL!

    Marrdro, I don't think C m D meant nobody would cover him.
    They just aren't going to worry about him much.

    It is like a pick up game when you get to cover the easiest guy on the court.

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    Twill or Rodney?


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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=38693.msg653484#msg653484 date=1192195653]
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=38693.msg653479#msg653479 date=1192195038]
    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38693.msg653478#msg653478 date=1192194348]
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Comeon my friend, do you actually think the Defense wouldn't at least cover him with a CB and possibly roll a S that way?

    I can just see Lovey now..........

    When that speedster T-will runs a deep route, don't worry about him, stay up and anticipate the run or a crossing patter to Rice.
    We can just leave him open cause the guy can't catch and the QB's don't have thier timing down yet.




    [/quote]

    I think they would leave a CB on him, but I highly doubt they would put a safety over the top in a red zone situation.
    There simply is no need.
    Instead, move the safety over Rice.
    [/quote]

    The Pack played him with one DB, no help.
    No Respect!
    He hasn't beaten anyone yet.
    Not since DC was here. LOL!

    Marrdro, I don't think C m D meant nobody would cover him.
    They just aren't going to worry about him much.

    It is like a pick up game when you get to cover the easiest guy on the court.
    [/quote]
    Got it.
    ;D
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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    [quote author=snowinapril link=topic=38693.msg653506#msg653506 date=1192197383]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=38693.msg653484#msg653484 date=1192195653]
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=38693.msg653479#msg653479 date=1192195038]
    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38693.msg653478#msg653478 date=1192194348]
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Comeon my friend, do you actually think the Defense wouldn't at least cover him with a CB and possibly roll a S that way?

    I can just see Lovey now..........

    When that speedster T-will runs a deep route, don't worry about him, stay up and anticipate the run or a crossing patter to Rice.
    We can just leave him open cause the guy can't catch and the QB's don't have thier timing down yet.




    [/quote]

    I think they would leave a CB on him, but I highly doubt they would put a safety over the top in a red zone situation.
    There simply is no need.
    Instead, move the safety over Rice.
    [/quote]

    The Pack played him with one DB, no help.
    No Respect!
    He hasn't beaten anyone yet.
    Not since DC was here. LOL!

    Marrdro, I don't think C m D meant nobody would cover him.
    They just aren't going to worry about him much.

    It is like a pick up game when you get to cover the easiest guy on the court.
    [/quote]
    Got it.

    ;D
    [/quote]

    If Rice gets hot, the others around him will get better as well.
    And trust me, if TWill continues to not be able to get open (especially if he is only single-covered), he will be replaced.
    Remember, Alvin Harper wasn't that great either...all we need is for Rice to become more like Irvin (minus the coke habit, of course) and TWill will get better looks as well.
    Then, he will have NO excuses if he doesn't perform.
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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