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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    Said receiver Bobby Wade: "We do great between the 30s, rushing and passing the ball. But we've got to really smell blood when we get into the red zone. We've got to really take shots and try to put [touchdowns] up instead of [field goals]."

    During a meeting Thursday, Bevell said he told players that self-inflicted obstacles have scuttled most of the stalled drives.
    The attitude comes from the Coaches.
    Chilly and Bevell need to be more aggressive and take some chances.
    The TD to Rice the last game was a great call.
    It was uncharacteristic of our offense.
    I think that up until that point, we have been more concerned about chipping away at another 5 to 10 yards to ensure a FG that they forget to take some chances.
    That leads to tightness.
    I think they are more TIGHT than lax.

    I think that Chilly has a plan.
    I am still on the short leash plan concept.
    A dog on a short leash follows commands and is more attentive.
    Once that dog has its commands down and it can execute the commands with confidence then you can let the dog off the leash.
    You have to put in the tough training before seeing rewards.
    TJs groin has put the training on hold, he was out 2 games, but it probably set us back 3 or 4 wks.
    The Rice call was like throwing the dog (team) a treat.
    The coaches have tried to throw some treats to TW also, maybe 4, and he hasn't caught any of those long balls due to the QB and himself.


    I disagree on the LAX part it is tight playcalling with players on a tight leash.
    This leads to players being flat, similar to Chilly's flat line approach up to this point.

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    Nice post Overlord. I agree about Fergy and the Waffle iron.

    I think we just need to simplify the red-zone offense to the "Culpepper offense" (linehan was a genius in playing to Cullpepper's strengths/weaknesses).
    1. Look for Rice (#1 WR).
    2. Look for Wade (#2 WR).
    3. Dump off to TE, HB or FB.
    4. Run. Even 2 yards in the redzone is better than no yards. This will keep defenses make defenses think twice before just sitting in zone anticipating pass. We do have an athletic QB after all. He already scored a rushing TD too.
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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.

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    "Big" wrote:
    Nice post Overlord. I agree about Fergy and the Waffle iron.

    I think we just need to simplify the red-zone offense to the "Culpepper offense" (linehan was a genius in playing to Cullpepper's strengths/weaknesses).
    1. Look for Rice (#1 WR).
    2. Look for Wade (#2 WR).
    3. Dump off to TE, HB or FB.
    4. Run. Even 2 yards in the redzone is better than no yards. This will keep defenses make defenses think twice before just sitting in zone anticipating pass. We do have an athletic QB after all. He already scored a rushing TD too.
    Do not give the ball to Dugan unless you put him on the field as the ball boy.
    Even then he would be fumbling the ball and pissing off the refs.
    Get rid of Dugan!
    That limp noodle!

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.

    I've seen in the past few games now, a number of times where TW got the seperation needed and was open.
    The problem is, getting him the ball on target!
    Not 2 yards behind or in front of him, or out of bounds where his great catch doesn't count of anything...



    I've seen TW improving, but the passes just aren't on the mark for him.........


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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    Shiancoe, for one, said the Vikings get "too lax" once they cross the 50.
    Translated this means "Childress/Bevell get too conservative in their playcalling."
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    We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot. We have to execute like we did that first drive against the Chiefs. The QB has to get the ball to wide-open guys. You can't overthrow the pass everytime you have a easy score. When you start making these plays things just start to come around by itself. Bottom line is we, must be a strong finisher on drives and everybody has to do their job with no mistakes..... penalties, missed assignments, bad blocking, overthrows all have to stop.

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    Said receiver Bobby Wade: "We do great between the 30s, rushing and passing the ball. But we've got to really smell blood when we get into the red zone. We've got to really take shots and try to put [touchdowns] up instead of [field goals]."

    During a meeting Thursday, Bevell said he told players that self-inflicted obstacles have scuttled most of the stalled drives.
    The attitude comes from the Coaches.
    Chilly and Bevell need to be more aggressive and take some chances.
    The TD to Rice the last game was a great call.
    It was uncharacteristic of our offense.
    I think that up until that point, we have been more concerned about chipping away at another 5 to 10 yards to ensure a FG that they forget to take some chances.
    That leads to tightness.
    I think they are more TIGHT than lax.

    I think that Chilly has a plan.
    I am still on the short leash plan concept.
    A dog on a short leash follows commands and is more attentive.
    Once that dog has its commands down and it can execute the commands with confidence then you can let the dog off the leash.
    You have to put in the tough training before seeing rewards.
    TJs groin has put the training on hold, he was out 2 games, but it probably set us back 3 or 4 wks.
    The Rice call was like throwing the dog (team) a treat.
    The coaches have tried to throw some treats to TW also, maybe 4, and he hasn't caught any of those long balls due to the QB and himself.


    I disagree on the LAX part it is tight playcalling with players on a tight leash.
    This leads to players being flat, similar to Chilly's flat line approach up to this point.
    Very nice.
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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    It is not rocket science.
    Ok, you don't have to be a genius.
    Whatever got you there.
    Keep running the plays that are working.
    Give it to AD, throw it to Rice in single coverage.
    I agree that they need to keep getting the ball to AD and Rice.
    But you can't expect the same plays that got you into the end zone to continue to work in the red zone.

    Open field ball is much different than red zone ball.
    The secondary is pushed closer, routes are cut short, 9 routes simply can't exist, LBs are able to play a close coverage because the cushion between them and help over the top is much less...
    Basically it is the opposite of the prevent defense.
    Trying to do the exact same thing in the end zone simply won't work.

    I think that is one of the problems with our inability to score.
    We have a great open field game plan, but a poor red zone one.
    I agree with you on this one. I expected to see more WRs coming across the field in the redzone, instead of running curl, post, and fly rouites... but is it me or have we not seen this? This might be a good way to utilize Williamson's speed, because he's obviously not catching anything deep.
    Can he even get open.
    I don't think he could beat even the worst DB in the league.
    He doesn't know how to get separation.
    He might be fast but for him it does no good.

    He has had some success on slants and over the middle shorter routes.
    I've got to agree with you there... but I'm trying to be optimistic. I mean, maybe if we bring him across the field as a diversion... but it would take a pretty stupid defense to fall for the T-Will decoy.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings offense: Getting there is half the battle

    "Big" wrote:
    Nice post Overlord. I agree about Fergy and the Waffle iron.

    I think we just need to simplify the red-zone offense to the "Culpepper offense" (linehan was a genius in playing to Cullpepper's strengths/weaknesses).
    1. Look for Rice (#1 WR).
    2. Look for Wade (#2 WR).
    3. Dump off to TE, HB or FB.
    4. Run. Even 2 yards in the redzone is better than no yards. This will keep defenses make defenses think twice before just sitting in zone anticipating pass. We do have an athletic QB after all. He already scored a rushing TD too.
    Very nice, however, progression of reads would be Wade first then Rice.
    Wade should get of and into his route quicker were as a deeper route to Rice would take just a fraction longer.

    It would be nice if the staff would give them an alignment/routes that would cross or be in the same sector to allow the QB to make this progressive read in a timely fashion vice on seperate sides of the field all the time.


    I anticipate seeing that adjustment this weekend.
    How many of you will watch for that?
    ;D
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