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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "CulpepperViking16" wrote:
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff My Farvish Friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.

    =Z=
    I wasn't aware of that.



    JK, you know I eat, sleep and breath Football and Hunting this time of year.
    Of course I know what ole Sharp is up to.
    Thats kindof the point behind my musing about depth.
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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff my friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.
    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.

    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018066#msg1018066 date=1258482284]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff My Farvish Friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.

    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.


    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]
    We gave up 20 points to the browns, atleast the Rams have 1 good player on offense.

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018072#msg1018072 date=1258483194]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018066#msg1018066 date=1258482284]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff My Farvish Friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.

    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.


    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]
    We gave up 20 points to the browns, atleast the Rams have 1 good player on offense.
    [/quote]
    Why did you have to remind me?


    On a side note, great use of the word "Opine" my friend.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018075#msg1018075 date=1258483968]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018072#msg1018072 date=1258483194]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018066#msg1018066 date=1258482284]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff My Farvish Friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.

    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.


    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]
    We gave up 20 points to the browns, atleast the Rams have 1 good player on offense.
    [/quote]
    Why did you have to remind me?


    On a side note, great use of the word "Opine" my friend.


    [/quote]

    He was just copying me.


    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018066#msg1018066 date=1258482284]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff my friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.

    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.


    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]

    The Saints defense is not that good, even if they've been making big headlines because of the turnovers.
    The 3 TD drives you listed were for 75 yards, 73 yards and 80 yards.
    Adding in the FG, as you noted, gives the average starting position for scoring drives as the 28 - 72 yards from the promised land.

    What, then, in your book is a "huge stop"?
    Maybe you're talking "huge stop" meaning "stop them on a short field"?

    AND this game was on the road, more difficult to beat the lousy team at their house than at yours.

    Brees, by his standards, had a lousy game.
    He had an opportunity to ice the game when he got the ball back after a failed onside kick and did not do so.
    The Rams had the ball with an opportunity to win the game.
    Their lousy clock management in the last minute hurt them quite a bunch.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018075#msg1018075 date=1258483968]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018072#msg1018072 date=1258483194]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=54039.msg1018066#msg1018066 date=1258482284]
    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=54039.msg1018063#msg1018063 date=1258481522]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=54039.msg1018061#msg1018061 date=1258480320]
    [quote author=CulpepperViking16 link=topic=54039.msg1018057#msg1018057 date=1258480105]
    The top 5 are Bengals, Vikings, Patriots, Saints, and Colts.

    The bengals are heavily underrated in my opinion. They're 7-2, but should be 8-1. Since they're not, they've been able to stay out of the spotlight, but this team is dangerous. I still think the Vikings are #1, and most of that can be attributed to Favre (he makes receivers look better, dont' tell me TJ would be giving rice 200 yards a game)

    The colts haven't lost a game, so I don't think they can look back and improve, which will hurt them later on....plus they're injury plagued as well.

    Saints are a powerhouse waiting to fall into a slump. Defense isn't great and Sharper has won a couple of their games for them.

    The Patriots are still a gol 'darnit good team. I expect them in the AFC championship if not further. screw the bad call. They know what they have and they know how to use it to their advantage
    Good stuff My Farvish Friend.

    Your comment on the Saints/Sharp makes me wonder what thier depth is like.
    I wonder if they could loose him for awhile and still win (ala Whinny).
    Sharper was out last week, if you didn't know.
    and they almost lost to a pathetic Rams team.
    I think you can blame this QB line:
    18 26 69.2 223 8.6 2 2 1 6 89.1 and the fumble by Colston more than anything the Saints defense did.
    The Rams scored 23 points. Before that they averaged 10.
    [/quote]

    its the QB's fault.
    I mean, how could you possibly play good defense when your rating is only 89.1?
    [/quote]

    2 picks and a fumble (by Colston).
    Only 1 turnover by their defense means -2 TO differential on the day.

    Rather than sarcastically bleating, perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    We had two fumbles a turnover on downs and the lions still only put up 10 points on us.


    What you're saying is, the defense was asked to play well, since Brees didn't, and they couldn't stop the Rams.

    I fail to see how thats anybody's fault but the defenses.


    Their scoring drives they started on the STL 25, STL 27, STL 40(fg), STL 20.
    Their average starting position on scoring drives was the 28.
    Meaning the Saints D wasn't exactly asked to make a huge stop, thats not great field position.


    I'd say giving up 23 points to the Rams falls squarely on the shoulders of the D.
    So perhaps you could actually analyze and opine.
    [/quote]
    We gave up 20 points to the browns, atleast the Rams have 1 good player on offense.
    [/quote]
    Why did you have to remind me?


    On a side note, great use of the word "Opine" My Farvish Friend.


    [/quote]
    I hate that word, reminds me of a douche bag on tv.

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    Re: Are the Vikings the NFL's best team?

    Actually, the Saints were without 3 starters on defense against the Rams this week & then lost Porter (DB) during the game.
    As for the best team, I think it will come down most of the time to home field advantage especially when a dome team is involved.

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