Thread: Vikings Must Stick With Ponder
11-11-2012, 03:59 PM #71Coordinator
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11-11-2012, 07:02 PM #72
11-11-2012, 07:27 PM #73
11-12-2012, 05:40 AM #74
The one thing I take exception to from your first post is that you feel the only reason fans weren't calling for the backup to start is because Frazier didn't have a bonafide starter on the bench like he did with Jackson (Frerotte).
What happened though, that's exactly what they did. They were calling for Bollinger to start & when he got his chance after Jackson got injured & failed, they were calling for Holcomb. That was a full season before Frerotte was even a Viking.
Even after they signed him in 2008, I don't believe there was anyone here who called Frerotte a bonafide starter. The talk about the Frerotte signing was that once again, for a 2nd year in a row, Childress failed to bring in a legitimate starter to challenge Jackson for the starting job. I believe you were a part of that group. I don't recall you contradicting them & stating that Childress did indeed bring in a bonafide starter to challenge him for the job.
Whether we have one now or not is immaterial IMO. Once again I will take the stance to let the QB play out the year & go from there rather than bench him & wait until the following year to see if he improves or the year after that depending on what they do in the offseason as far as a starting QB is concerned.
"If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"
11-13-2012, 02:44 PM #75
So, honestly, we have no idea how good or bad Spielman is or will be because he hasn't been ALLOWED to DO his job.
Zygi, mark, and Leonard need to NOT be involved in the football end of things. They hired their guy to do that, it's time to let him. IF they do (which I STRONGLY doubt they will), he needs to jettison Frazier and the rest of the staff and START OVER.
Until Spielman is actually allowed to DO his job, I don't feel we can adequately judge him on it.
11-13-2012, 02:49 PM #76
What is the statue of limitations for talking about an EX-Vikings QB in current threads? I vote each member can resurrect the name of our previous backup/starter/backup only once per month...Zeus wrote:
When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?
11-13-2012, 03:01 PM #77
When Jackson got "hurt" in '07, we went with Holcomb...the guy i wanted us to stat anyway. IMO at the time, we weren't going anywhere anyway, why not develop Jackson and spend a year under a guy we weren't going to go forward with (Holcomb). Jackson was then held out versus GB...under odd circumstances. And, the TRUTH was, Jackson wasn't winning games for us, Peterson was. The Defense was. Jackson was simply along for the ride.
And he NEVER progressed.
Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger were every bit as effective STATISTICALLY (in fact, they were MORE effective), but we lost their games because the D faded or AP didn't light it up, or both. Then Jackson would come in, AP would destroy a Defense, and Jackson got the credit.
But he never got the BLAME from his "fan base". I heard lots of excuses about why he failed, but I never saw any of the "apologists" actually admit that maybe the fault was Jackson (Until Marrdro was forced to by a lost beer bet).
But you are right, I was one of those railing against the lack of viable competition at the QB spot. I didn't see Jackson progressing, and I didn't see Chiller bringing in anyone with a legit shot at being the future (until Favre...I was all for that, but I wanted a rookie that year too so we had one to develop...Chiller screwed that pooch). Even frerotte was a joke when he was brought in, but the fact that that "joke" had Jackson supporters spend an entire season trying to prove that Jackson was better than a washed-up Gus Frerotte...and they couldn't successfully do it...was the most obvious sign that Jackson was done.
Moving forward, we don't even have a Frerotte on the roster. We have a project, and project, and a project. Ponder played well versus Detroit, but I need to see more consistency before I get on that bandwagon. He needs to win when AP doesn't show up strong.
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