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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "HEY" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    The first thing that struck me about the article is that our quarterbacks are ranked higher than our running backs.
    We simply are not getting what we are used to out of our running game.

    But our QBs are taking advantage of that and we are able to get stuff downfield.

    Our running game is fine ... but not what we hoped it would be I think.

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "slavinator" wrote:
    Good read.


    Am I the only one who thinks that 'C' for Special Teams is too low of a grade?
    I would venture a guess that we are near the top of the league in ST stats.
    Further, if you consider where they were the year prior, a higher grade is warranted in my mind.
    The grades are listed below the little blurb about each unit. Special Teams got an A.

    Here are the grades the article gave:

    Overall: A-
    Quarterbacks: A
    Running Backs: A-
    WR / TE: B+
    Offensive Line: B
    Defensive Line: A
    Linebackers: B
    Secondary: C
    Special Teams: A
    Coaching / Front Office: A

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
    I think special teams should be higher....atleast B-

    I also dont know that Coaching gets an A...personnel wise they have definitely earned it....but we have been out-coached in the 4th quarter in a lot of games.
    That aspect I think comes back ont eh coach and not being able to make game adjustments.
    I think they need toi be putting teams away in the 3rd quarter to really get an A.
    These next 3 weeks will allow us to do that.
    Special teams actually got an A, it was the secondary that graded out at a C.
    The C for the secondary was listed as primarily due to the poor tackling by the safeties.
    C is probably the right grade for this group.
    Hopefully the safety play will pick up or it will be our achilles heel.

    I also agree that A for coaching is a bit strong, I'd give them a B though.

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    Love mid season grades

    Lets improve!

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
    I think special teams should be higher....atleast B-

    I also dont know that Coaching gets an A...personnel wise they have definitely earned it....but we have been out-coached in the 4th quarter in a lot of games.
    That aspect I think comes back ont eh coach and not being able to make game adjustments.
    I think they need toi be putting teams away in the 3rd quarter to really get an A.
    These next 3 weeks will allow us to do that.
    I agree that some of the play calling in the 4th is the reason for those late game comebacks.
    But I would also put the blame on the missed tackles and sloppy playing that goes on by the defense.
    So one big thing that we needed to work on in the bye week was tackling.
    And not just in the bye week, but continue working on it.
    The Pack, the Pack, gonna smack the Pack.

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    I don't like the grades at all.
    An "A" to me is the highest and it means there is no reason to improve.
    If there is a "A+" then it still shows you have little room to improve.
    I see the Vikes as only about 80% of where they will be at the end of the season.
    The following players will show noticible improvement by the end of the season as they have improved since the start.
    The order is from most noticable improvement to least:
    Sully
    Tyrell
    Loadholdt
    Harvin
    Rice
    Favre
    (yes, I still think he will get more intune and the receivers won't have to do great catches)

    Thus, my scoring is:


    Quarterbacks: A-
    Running Backs: A-
    WR / TE: B+
    Offensive Line: B-
    (Sully and Loadholdt will improve and make this a A- by playoff time)
    Defensive Line: B+
    (run blocking has gone down too much)
    Linebackers: B-
    (where are these guys, their studs but have been invisible)
    Secondary: C
    (add a minus without Winfield and a + with.... safety improvement will take this to B-)
    Special Teams: B (Harvin is only one in top 10, Longwell, Kluwe, and JJ are average)
    Coaching / Front Office: B
    (still too vanilla on play calling and not using players to potential)

    Overall: B

    I think there are too many places for improvement to give them an A-.

    So my grading will be
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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "Bubba" wrote:
    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
    I think special teams should be higher....atleast B-

    I also dont know that Coaching gets an A...personnel wise they have definitely earned it....but we have been out-coached in the 4th quarter in a lot of games.
    That aspect I think comes back ont eh coach and not being able to make game adjustments.
    I think they need toi be putting teams away in the 3rd quarter to really get an A.
    These next 3 weeks will allow us to do that.
    I agree that some of the play calling in the 4th is the reason for those late game comebacks.
    But I would also put the blame on the missed tackles and sloppy playing that goes on by the defense.
    So one big thing that we needed to work on in the bye week was tackling.
    And not just in the bye week, but continue working on it.
    I don't think it is play calling at all.
    Maybe one or two here and there.
    The problem has been lack of execution more than scheme or play call.
    It has been penalties, poor tackling, etc...
    The team has been in the right position to make the plays.
    It's that they haven't.
    Not so much because they were in the wrong place or not lined up correctly.

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "josdin00" wrote:
    "slavinator" wrote:
    Good read.


    Am I the only one who thinks that 'C' for Special Teams is too low of a grade?
    I would venture a guess that we are near the top of the league in ST stats.
    Further, if you consider where they were the year prior, a higher grade is warranted in my mind.
    The grades are listed below the little blurb about each unit. Special Teams got an A.

    Here are the grades the article gave:

    Overall: A-
    Quarterbacks: A
    Running Backs: A-
    WR / TE: B+
    Offensive Line: B
    Defensive Line: A
    Linebackers: B
    Secondary: C
    Special Teams: A
    Coaching / Front Office: A
    Sorry I must have gotten mixed up reading that somehow.
    Much better.....thanks for pointing that out!!

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
    I think special teams should be higher....atleast B-

    I also dont know that Coaching gets an A...personnel wise they have definitely earned it....but we have been out-coached in the 4th quarter in a lot of games.
    That aspect I think comes back ont eh coach and not being able to make game adjustments.
    I think they need toi be putting teams away in the 3rd quarter to really get an A.
    These next 3 weeks will allow us to do that.
    Out coached in the 4th quarter or out executed?
    What have you seen more of... the opposing offense coming out and doing something radically different in the 4th quarter that knocks us on our heels... wildcat... no huddle... reverses, screens, half back tosses, flea flickers...
    Frankly, I haven't seen that... what I've seen is our D take a step back to prevent the big play which is fine... it makes for a higher completion % but as long as they make the tackles the clock gets drained and we tighten up inside the 20... problem is we haven't been making the tackles.
    That extra step the DB and S have to take because of the softer coverage is messing up their fundamentals.
    Most coaches are going to guard against big plays with a comfortable lead, no fast scores, that sloppiness is on the players not the coaches.

    Beyond that... what about the 1st 3 quarters?
    Who gets the nod for putting us in position to win games after 3 quarters?
    Who gets acknowledgement for scoring in 6 out of 8 games (or something close) in the 1st possession after half time?
    Who gets credit for avoiding the St Louis trap game that we'd have lost in the Tice years... hell, we lost to four 4-12 teams in ONE year under meat head.
    Who gets credit for having our players ready to play 3 back to back to back tough games, 2 on the road, without our Pro Bowl CB, and having us make it 2 - 1 and a few big D plays away from being 3 - 0?

    People, it's time to stop bashing Childress.
    I get it, he's not the most dynamic personality... he could put someone hoped up on Speed and a full case of energy drinks to sleep in about 5 minutes with his voice.. but HE is the one who has this team 7 - 1... he IS the one who has had this team ready to play week in and week out.
    Bitch and moan all you want about individual plays and decisions throughout the year but you'll see the same thing from every other coach in the league if you watch enough football.
    What many of us fail to realize is that they don't have perfect information on the field, there is an incredible time crunch to make decisions, not to mention immense pressure.
    It's easy to play armchair head coach from home, I can't even imagine what it's like to be on that sideline Sunday.
    The true measure of a man is what he'd do knowing he'd never be found out.

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    Re: Vikings' midseason grades: So Favre, so good

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
    I think special teams should be higher....atleast B-

    I also dont know that Coaching gets an A...personnel wise they have definitely earned it....but we have been out-coached in the 4th quarter in a lot of games.
    That aspect I think comes back ont eh coach and not being able to make game adjustments.
    I think they need toi be putting teams away in the 3rd quarter to really get an A.
    These next 3 weeks will allow us to do that.
    Out coached in the 4th quarter or out executed?
    What have you seen more of... the opposing offense coming out and doing something radically different in the 4th quarter that knocks us on our heels... wildcat... no huddle... reverses, screens, half back tosses, flea flickers...
    Frankly, I haven't seen that... what I've seen is our D take a step back to prevent the big play which is fine... it makes for a higher completion % but as long as they make the tackles the clock gets drained and we tighten up inside the 20... problem is we haven't been making the tackles.
    That extra step the DB and S have to take because of the softer coverage is messing up their fundamentals.
    Most coaches are going to guard against big plays with a comfortable lead, no fast scores, that sloppiness is on the players not the coaches.

    Beyond that... what about the 1st 3 quarters?
    Who gets the nod for putting us in position to win games after 3 quarters?
    Who gets acknowledgement for scoring in 6 out of 8 games (or something close) in the 1st possession after half time?
    Who gets credit for avoiding the St Louis trap game that we'd have lost in the Tice years... hell, we lost to four 4-12 teams in ONE year under meat head.
    Who gets credit for having our players ready to play 3 back to back to back tough games, 2 on the road, without our Pro Bowl CB, and having us make it 2 - 1 and a few big D plays away from being 3 - 0?

    People, it's time to stop bashing Childress.
    I get it, he's not the most dynamic personality... he could put someone hoped up on Speed and a full case of energy drinks to sleep in about 5 minutes with his voice.. but HE is the one who has this team 7 - 1... he IS the one who has had this team ready to play week in and week out.
    Bitch and moan all you want about individual plays and decisions throughout the year but you'll see the same thing from every other coach in the league if you watch enough football.
    What many of us fail to realize is that they don't have perfect information on the field, there is an incredible time crunch to make decisions, not to mention immense pressure.
    It's easy to play armchair head coach from home, I can't even imagine what it's like to be on that sideline Sunday.
    Great freaking post!
    I am glad to see some people coming around and see the good he has done for this team versus what they perceive as a bad decision here or there in a game.
    Just because people or I don't agree with calls doesn't mean it was a bad play call or decision.
    It means that maybe we would have done it differently.
    Who's to tell what wouold have worked and what wouldn't?


    People get mad for having a "vanilla offense" yet when they throw the ball on the goal line and it doesn't work they get mad for not giving the ball to AP.
    What the fail to take into consideration they have scored by throwing like that before (so that's okay) and / or the fact AP was already given 2 chances to score and didn't.

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