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Originally Posted by NodakPaul

That would be decent, although you are right, we would be undersized. In this instance we would really need to pick up a big WR in the draft. Obviously we would be targeting Cordarrelle Patterson or Keenan Allen in the draft. I doubt Patterson will be there at 23, but Allen should be.

Another WR I really like is Justin Hunter. He is huge (6'4") and has a big vertical. And he should still be there in the second round when the Vikings pick. If Patterson is gone in round 1, I would consider skipping Allen and going for a MLB instead, and then targeting Hunter in round 2.

I see you and Randy both covered everything I put in my post, need to refresh my coffee.

There are a lot of good WR's that should be worthy of our 1st or 2nd round picks. Hopefully that is a priority, the right guy is there and we should see a much improved WR corps.

And finally, the Vikings have plenty of cap space. We are sitting right under $12 million right now, which is in the top 10 or 11 of teams in terms of how much cap space is currently available. At this point in the offseason, that is a pretty healthy spot to be.

But that is without resigning any of our guys either. I'm guessing that just signing Loadholt and Felton to extensions will eat about 10 mill worth of space and we haven't even talked about our draft picks yet. The way I see it, the lower cap is a bit tight for most of the NFL, except a few extra shitty teams like the Browns and Phins who have 40 mill worth of room, but need to fill many, many, many holes.

And I'm not promoting signing aging vets by any means, just saying, we don't have the space available to bring in a guy on a Pierre Garcon or Vincent Jackson type contract. I like that we focus our FA signings on guys coming off of their 1st contracts who still have potential to improve...it's the only way to go! Unless, maybe, you are a playoff team that really, truly believes you are one player away. Like, perhaps, the Pack with Reggie White.

Meh, not that exciting. Seems to be about what we could get from Simpson. I would rather pass.

Originally Posted by NodakPaul

You need to brush up on your salary cap math.

Cutting Carlson would NOT clear $5 million in cap. In fact, we would take a $4 million dollar cap hit because any unamoratized bonus money is immediately counted against the cap, although if he were cut after June 1 it could be spread out over two seasons. He is due $2.9 million this season, with $1.2 million being guaranteed if he is on the roster come June 1. So if we cut him BEFORE June 1 we would be taking a $4 million cap hit in order to save $2.9 million in salary. If we cut him AFTER June 1 we would have paid him $1.2 million, taken the remaining $2.8 million in cap hit spread out over 2 years. In this case we will have taken a $2.6 million cap hit this year and a $1.4 million cap hit NEXT year to save $1.7 million in salary.

The best thing we can do with Carlson in terms of cap space is to retain him on the roster this year. His salary will only count $2.9 million against the cap this year. Next year if he still sucks major eggs, he will be an easy cap causality, because the cap hit for cutting him will only be $2.8 million when he is due $3.9 million in salary.

There are workout bonuses too that I didn't figure into the equation, but that would only make the cap hits higher. I think his workout bonuses are $100k.

You are pretty far off on the Allen and KW extension math too. Yes, we could rework their contracts to free up some cap space - not $12 million, but still a decent amount. Both KW and Allen's cap impacts have their original signing bonuses included. Reworking a contract will allow you to reduce current year salary and prorate a new signing bonus across the length of the contract, but the original signing bonus allocation is retained.

And finally, the Vikings have plenty of cap space. We are sitting right under $12 million right now, which is in the top 10 or 11 of teams in terms of how much cap space is currently available. At this point in the offseason, that is a pretty healthy spot to be.

There is a lot more that goes into FA and contracts that many don't see or know, and yet are quick to criticize or call Spielman an idiot because they are convinced that they know how to clear $17 million in cap space that Spielman some how missed...

Didn't have his yearly figures or distribution of signing bonuses figures to work with so I just used his projected salary. Mistake made and it will never happen again. Yikes

Lastly, inability of Spielman to clear cap space is not why I call him and idiot GM. I called him an idiot GM because he has shown a propensity for being one in the past. The Rice contact fisasco of letting his contract get to the final years and test FA and bid against other teams for that WR's services. It's the same thing we appear to be doing with Load. At this point, his agent has no reason to have him sign a contact as FA is days away. He will hit the marker and we will have paid more for him than we would have had to. Lastly, there is the pathetic WR corps we put on the field last year. The result of dumpster diving instead of building a team with balance. Way too lazy to look but I am sure you were one of those heralding the signing of Carlson as a good deal. Our GM, unfortunately has thrown money at backup tight ends while investing pennies on that same dollar for Starting WRs. That is idiotic and worthy of being mocked.

Felton is not a special FB. He is an above average to good fullback but the last atleast average FB that Peterson played behind, he made look good as well (Richardson). It's his effect. So excuse me for not doing cartwheels for that one signing. It's long over due and should have been happened ( I begged for a Vonte Lea(e)ch signing in 2011.

Worst of all is that this draft is so lock full of talent and our roster is such void of it, he is going to look like a genius because only an imbicile could mess it up and not walk away with 2 starters and a handful of regular joes. Can't wait to hear the ton of A+ draft comments.

Originally Posted by kevoncox

Lastly, inability of Spielman to clear cap space is not why I call him and idiot GM.

You realize it's not Spielman's job to manage the cap. Rob Brzyzinski is the financial guy, he's the guy who gives Spielman numbers to work with.

I called him an idiot GM because he has shown a propensity for being one in the past. The Rice contact fisasco of letting his contract get to the final years and test FA and bid against other teams for that WR's services.

Leading up to Rice's 09 season, would you have given him an extension based on him being injured and unproductive? I'd sure hope not. Outside of 09, Rice has played SOME good ball, but mostly inconsistent. THat trend continues when he has somebody NOT named Favre throwing to himi.

Felton is not a special FB. He is an above average to good fullback but the last atleast average FB that Peterson played behind, he made look good as well (Richardson).

LOL!

Felton earned his pro bowl berth. He wasn't flashy, but he was VERY solid. One of the unsung heros of our offense. Unlike our previous fullbacks (Tahi, Tapeh, etc) He could actually hit, make a block, and stick to it. He played very well for us as a fullback. He's not a weapon as a runner or receiver, but we don't ask him to. We ask him to block, and he does a more than good job at it. There are numbers supporting that (I don't have them handy, and am not going to look them up. And Richardson was average? Richardson was one of the best fullbacks in the game for a long time. even at the tail end of his career he was still playing some very good ball for us. Notice after 07, Peterson's per game production plumetted?

It's his effect. So excuse me for not doing cartwheels for that one signing. It's long over due and should have been happened ( I begged for a Vonte Lea(e)ch signing in 2011.

Worst of all is that this draft is so lock full of talent and our roster is such void of it, he is going to look like a genius because only an imbicile could mess it up and not walk away with 2 starters and a handful of regular joes. Can't wait to hear the ton of A+ draft comments.

LOL. I remember hearing that exact same thing leading up to the 05 draft. Remember the can't-miss beast named Mike Williams? Or the next Randy Moss Troy Williamson? Or the absolute Stud named Alex Smith? Ronnie Brown(#2) , Braylon Edwards(#3), Cedric Benson (#4), Caddilac Williams (#5), Pacman Jones (#6), Troy Williamson (#7), Antrel Rolle(#8), Carlos Rogers(#9), Mike Williams (#10).

Of those ten, only two have had what you could even call a consistent Career, Rolle and Rogers. Nobody else there deserves to be a top-10 pick. If you could re-do the draft, I bet all those players are mid-round or later (or undrafted).


But only an imbecile could screw up that draft too..

Pathetic.....smh

Originally Posted by NodakPaul

You need to brush up on your salary cap math.

You are pretty far off on the Allen and KW extension math too. Yes, we could rework their contracts to free up some cap space - not $12 million, but still a decent amount.

Actually, he's probably much closer than you are or giving him credit for. He claims restructuring Allen's contract would free up $8 mil, when actually it can be closer to $9 mil.

Allen is due $14,280,612 in base salary for 2013. For the sake of clarity, round that number down to $14 million and assume the Vikings convert that to a signing bonus on a three-year extension through 2016.

If Allen takes a $1 million base salary for 2013 -- i.e. a $1 million raise -- his cap number would plummet to a little more than $8 million because the signing bonus would be prorated over four years. (He also has $2,583,344 in remaining bonus proration from his expiring deal.)

Just like that, the Vikings would have another $9 million in cap space available in 2013.

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Originally Posted by singersp

Actually, he's probably much closer than you are or giving him credit for. He claims restructuring Allen's contract would free up $8 mil, when actually it can be closer to $9 mil.



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Nice find.

One problem with that scenario though is it is only a one year. That puts in cap hell in the future.

The $14 million signing bonus would be spread out over four years, correct. Which means a cap hit of $3.5 million for the last three years of his contract plus whatever his base salary is. It won't be $1 million again. It will be in the $10-15 million range, putting his cap hit in the $13-18 million range each year for each of the last three years.

A more likely scenario IMHO would be to have more base salary this year and a smaller signing bonus to allow for a more manageable future, which means that this year's cap savings will be closes to the $2-$3 million range.