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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52641.msg979227#msg979227 date=1249479095]
    [quote author=V link=topic=52641.msg979218#msg979218 date=1249478045]
    I will say, TJ adds to the potential for an explosive offense much more than Sage.

    The rest of the article is pretty obvious. Berrian and Shank and probowl in the same sentence though? That's a stretch.
    You should compare Shank's numbers with the TE's that made the prowbowl last year...
    Team










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    G GS Rec Yds Avg


    Lng TD
    Visanthe Shancoe

    16
    15
    42
    596
    14.2
    40
    7
    Jason Witten(starter) 16
    16
    81
    952
    11.8
    42
    4
    Chris Cooley






    16
    16
    83
    849
    10.2
    28
    1
    Tony Gonzalez(starter) 16
    16
    96
    1,058 11.0
    35
    10
    Antonio Gates




    16
    16
    60
    704
    11.7
    34
    8
    Owen Daniels






    16
    16
    70
    862
    12.3
    35
    2

    3rd in TD's, and not even close in any other category.

    42 receptions isn't enough to be a reliable, constant target, which seems to be what they look for in pro bowl TE's.
    I'd rather have a guy who can keep moving the chains, than get a few receptions, and 7 wide open TD's.
    Not discrediting him, he does well for us, but he needs a QB to get him the ball more, he needs to continue improving, and then maybe we'll talk about pro bowl.
    As of right now?
    No way.
    You seem to forget that the probowl is voted on by media hacks and moronic fans.
    Anything is possible.
    which is why Shank certainly won't be going.
    Tony will be a lock for the next 3-4 years, whether his skill warrants it or not, as well as Gates.
    Witten will probably also be in, based on the fact he's been productive for a long time, and is a cowboy.
    The pro bowl is a joke, and will continue to be a joke until they take away the fans vote.(which will never happen)
    I agree that the probowl is a joke.
    The discussion makes more sense if it's related to the HOF and the arguments become much more clear cut.
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    yes, at least the HOF uses strict guidelines and requirements to always ensure all of the best players get in fairly.

    [/quote]

    Yes, there is never favoritism or people that get snuffed that should be in.
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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52641.msg979237#msg979237 date=1249479882]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52641.msg979227#msg979227 date=1249479095]
    [quote author=V link=topic=52641.msg979218#msg979218 date=1249478045]
    I will say, TJ adds to the potential for an explosive offense much more than Sage.

    The rest of the article is pretty obvious. Berrian and Shank and probowl in the same sentence though? That's a stretch.
    You should compare Shank's numbers with the TE's that made the prowbowl last year...
    Team










    Receiving

















    G GS Rec Yds Avg


    Lng TD
    Visanthe Shancoe

    16
    15
    42
    596
    14.2
    40
    7
    Jason Witten(starter) 16
    16
    81
    952
    11.8
    42
    4
    Chris Cooley






    16
    16
    83
    849
    10.2
    28
    1
    Tony Gonzalez(starter) 16
    16
    96
    1,058 11.0
    35
    10
    Antonio Gates




    16
    16
    60
    704
    11.7
    34
    8
    Owen Daniels






    16
    16
    70
    862
    12.3
    35
    2

    3rd in TD's, and not even close in any other category.

    42 receptions isn't enough to be a reliable, constant target, which seems to be what they look for in pro bowl TE's.
    I'd rather have a guy who can keep moving the chains, than get a few receptions, and 7 wide open TD's.
    Not discrediting him, he does well for us, but he needs a QB to get him the ball more, he needs to continue improving, and then maybe we'll talk about pro bowl.
    As of right now?
    No way.
    You seem to forget that the probowl is voted on by media hacks and moronic fans.
    Anything is possible.
    which is why Shank certainly won't be going.
    Tony will be a lock for the next 3-4 years, whether his skill warrants it or not, as well as Gates.
    Witten will probably also be in, based on the fact he's been productive for a long time, and is a cowboy.
    The pro bowl is a joke, and will continue to be a joke until they take away the fans vote.(which will never happen)
    I agree that the probowl is a joke.
    The discussion makes more sense if it's related to the HOF and the arguments become much more clear cut.
    [/quote]

    yes, at least the HOF uses strict guidelines and requirements to always ensure all of the best players get in fairly.

    [/quote]

    Yes, there is never favoritism or people that get snuffed that should be in.
    [/quote]

    never.
    That is how the Pro bowl should be voted on.
    Take away the coaches, players and fans votes, and give a panel of 32 team representatives to vote on a pro bowl.
    Of course including a few older representatives to ensure some of the leagues earliest players aren't forgotten.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

    OK come on people. First of all, while pro bowl is a joke, it isn't a TOTAL joke. 75% of the players there deserve to be there. Secondly, it is much easier to gage skill positions as opposed to linemen. Gates, Witten, and Gonzales will make the pro bowl if they deserve it, they are by no means grandfathered in.

    "32 team representatives?" WHAT A JOKE. That just turns into 32 selected members of the media, all of whom are biased.

    So ballyhoo the pro bowl as a measure of performace all you want, but the bottom line is that pro bowl players are guys who had good, if not great seasons. Sometimes it is a special year for a roleplayer, sometimes it is a down year for a great player.

    A much bigger problem with the pro bowl is WHEN the selection takes place.
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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    "32 team representatives?" WHAT A JOKE. That just turns into 32 selected members of the media, all of whom are biased.

    that whole exchange between me and Prophet was a mockery of the current system, and was not to be taken any other way.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

    Oh, I don't know that Shancoe couldn't get voted in the probowl.

    I think Shank's Shank alone would garner a considerable amount of votes if he were to have another strategic locker room towel malfunction.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

    The ingredients may be there, but I am afraid the cook is going to spoil the broth.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

    I love the Pro Bowl... It still has really good players playing in it... often times the best players.
    Obviously sometimes they miss on a player but that's going to happen with the fan vote / bias.
    I will continue to watch it.
    Hopefully they switch it to after the Superbowl though... pretty lame to have it the week before the Superbowl so our Vikings players wont be allowed to play.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    Oh, I don't know that Shancoe couldn't get voted in the probowl.

    I think Shank's Shank alone would garner a considerable amount of votes if he were to have another strategic locker room towel malfunction.
    lmao, I'm pretty sure most of the voters are straight men, still couldn't hurt though.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    I love the Pro Bowl... It still has really good players playing in it...
    really good players who could care less about the game.
    There are some, (Sean taylor, AD, Owens) who take it seriously, but for the most part, they're in it for a free trip to Hawaii and the recognition.


    It all started going downhill when they got rid of the skills competition.
    that was the best part, far better than the game itself.

    Oh, and with it being played before the superbowl, you can expect a lot of players won't be playing in it anymore.

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    Re: Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense

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    [size=13pt]Minnesota Vikings have ingredients for explosive offense[/size]

    Pending the impact of rookie Percy Harvin and the chemistry between the quarterback and the receivers, this Vikings team has the ingredients to be an explosive offense.

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    Updated: 08/05/2009 07:44:38 AM CDT
    Did uyou notice? Percy's contract was rejecyted by the NFL.

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