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    Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    Acumen and I were involved with a discussion debating whether the Vikings
    were on the right track.

    I think everyone agrees the team is on the right track defensively, but the
    main debate is whether the offense is getting better. I did a little research and
    this is what I found over the last few years:


    Year


    Yards Per Game


    Rush

    Pass

    Pts.
    2004





    396







    114


    282


    25
    2005





    288







    92


    197


    19
    2006





    326







    119


    207


    18

    I think this year's team is still not up to par with past offenses prior to 2005, but upon further review, it does look like the team is doing slightly better than last year.
    An obvious upgrade at QB is needed and a gamebreaker receiver would
    certainly help.

    Maybe this offense IS on the right track after all, but it is pretty slow. The running
    game is definitely better but we simply can not compete with too many teams with a QB that is performing this poorly. You can't turn the ball over in crucial situations
    like the Vikings have and expect to win consistently, even with a great defense.
    We are averaging almost 40 ypg over last year, yet still fewer points.

    At least we know where our glaring deficiencies are and what we need to improve
    on during the off-season. Like Acumen said, we are losing a lot of close games.
    If you cut down on mistakes and add another 50 yards per game with a decent
    QB, we will add another touchdown per game and we will be winning a lot of those
    games.

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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    Add a QB who can keep a drive alive on third down with his legs instead of trying to make a play he could barely make in his prime and throwing a pick everytime might help.

    Receivers who can catch, an offensive line that can pass protect, a tougher pass defense, a special teams coach, and a less conservative head coach might help, but the conservativeness could be due to the lack of playmakers at QB and WR.

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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    Well, we aren't quite there yet but I think we are slowly turning it around.
    I bet we could sign a free agent QB who could come in and start right away
    during the off-season. This would be a good spot for someone to come in
    because it would be a good opportunity for someone so we just might get
    someone decent.

    Or, maybe make a trade to pick up someone who could help out immediately.

    Finally, there are a lot of good, young QB's coming into the draft this year.
    We should be able to land someone that could come in as well. There ARE
    options at the end of the year but I think we aren't going anywhere with Brad
    Johnson and everyone can see this.
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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    None of these stats matter...what matters is wins

    And as of right now, the Vikes need to go undefeated to be as good as they were last year...a wasted season as far as I'm concerned...I really thought that this was a better team, and the defense has been better for the most part...there are some wholes in our pass d but it seems like they're getting the kinks out.

    What we need is a passing game...thats what we're missing....maybe T-Jack helps w/ that but we need some WRs...thats the most obvious need....

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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    We should go pick up Drew Bledsoe in the offseason...

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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    lol, I think you're completely making up stuff that I said...but it's probably better than what I really said so I'll go with it.

    In order to answer the question of whether the Vikings are getting better or not you would first have to define the scale of time you're looking at and which parts of the game you're looking at.
    My reference to them getting better is in regard to having a longer-term plan implemented that is more complex than putting bandaids on an scheme that has been run for over a decade in Minnesota.



    Some people think it is blind homerism to still believe in the Vikings this year.
    Sloppy play, penalties galore, turnovers, and all the other inadequacies found on offense, special teams, and even defense.
    I always have hope in the team until they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
    Have you looked at the other teams vying for a wildcard spot in the NFC?
    There are some very inconsistent teams involved in this race, the team that gets it together gets to have their ass handed to them in the first round of the playoffs probably....but finishing the season strong and having confidence going into next year is worth something.


    This year, the main culprit that is easiest to spot is the offensive offense.
    The ground game of the offense has been doing well.
    If someone mentions 'air attack' while talking about the Vikings I typically wonder why they changed the topic and are talking about Iraq.
    The bottom-line is the interim QB didn't work out as planned by the coaching staff.
    This wasn't a grasp at straws like Schaub would have been.
    BJ had an established reputation as being a game manager and consistent, well, he hasn't held true to his colors.
    Couple that with losing 'marginal' Burleson in the 'reverse poison pill debacle' and MRob in the 'post nationally televised giving him accolades for being a hero drunk driving chase' and the #7 overall pick not being able to catch a velcro child's toy, an underperforming QB with marginal backup QBs, and new schemes and you end up with an offense that is luckily, at least, holding their own when it comes to the running game.

    Somebody was saying that it doesn't matter that over 70% of our losses this year were by less than a TD.
    I say bullshit.
    Having control of penalties alone would have resulted in a few more wins.
    Start putting a fix on the array of problems, all fixable and not major, the team could turn things around.
    This year?
    Doubtful, but possible.
    Next year?
    Hell yes.
    New QB, WRs, more comfort with the system working on fine-tuning rather than implementation.
    I would be surprised if the team isn't back where it's suppose to be, respected, within a few years.

    Zygi is possibly the best owner in football.
    He's willing to put money into non-cap investments like the coaching staff and is fighting for a new stadium.
    I have never heard of someone offering to put up $1B of their own money to subsidize a stadium.
    Wilf also made a run on picking up the best coaching staff available in the offseason.
    He played hardball when other teams were still figuring out how to adjust the T.

    The future is bright.
    The team is on the right track, without leadership there is no hope.
    For the first time in a long time I am optimistic about the leaders of this team.
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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    "Acumen" wrote:

    Couple that with losing 'marginal' Burleson in the 'reverse poison pill debacle' and MRob in the 'post nationally televised giving him accolades for being a hero drunk driving chase' and the #7 overall pick not being able to catch a velcro child's toy, an underperforming QB with marginal backup QBs, and new schemes and you end up with an offense that is luckily, at least, holding their own when it comes to the running game.
    MRob? Come on Acumen, you were doing so well!
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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    "Acumen" wrote:

    Somebody was saying that it doesn't matter that over 70% of our losses this year were by less than a TD.
    I say kaka del toro.
    Having control of penalties alone would have resulted in a few more wins.
    Start putting a fix on the array of problems, all fixable and not major, the team could turn things around.
    This year?
    Doubtful, but possible.
    Next year?
    Hell yes.
    New QB, WRs, more comfort with the system working on fine-tuning rather than implementation.
    I would be surprised if the team isn't back where it's suppose to be, respected, within a few years.

    The problem I see with the master plan is the offensive system. It's complicated & a lot is being learned & implemented the first year & then fine tuning the second.

    To me that says the players should be where they need to be in their 3rd year.

    With that being said, any new player coming into this system will go thru the same learning process & growing pains that players before them have gone thru. That would hold true for rookies as well as vets unless they are familiar with the system already or played for a team with a similar offense.

    That would mean any player that we sign that pans out, we'd better sign for a long term conract, otherwise we could lose that player to free agency after investing 2-3 years in him & would have to spend another 2-3 years teaching & grooming their replacement.

    Certainly that may not hold true for all positions, Chester Taylor for example, but for some positions it exists & I wonder if we can always afford that kind of learning curve time.

    It also tends to put a damper or slows things down on getting a player that will have an immediate impact.

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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    I tend to agree with most of the posts, but I think our second biggest problem(besides the offensive penalties), is our inability to make plays in the red zone. Could someone please post a stat for red zone conversions over the last three years? I think that has a lot to do with it.
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    Re: Are the Vikings Getting Better??

    Wow I didn't know that he was willing to put 1b in. I believe that we need a much better pash rush. Hopefully Erasmus coming back next year will help. Still with that being said, I still feel the playoffs are very possible. Once you get there, it's a whole new game.
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