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    Re: Vikings front office: Four on the floor

    "singersp" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Vikes_King" wrote:
    perfect time to throw out my favorite stat

    Last year the starting 22 players for the Colts that won the Super Bowl had only played for the Colts, no other team.


    Building through the draft is the best option, and with our front office we should be able to continue to do so
    Excellent point.

    I think that is what this staff is trying to do. The problem lies in the fact that they (previous regime) didn't draft well in the out years.


    We are not feeling the effects of that and will have to plug a few holes with FA (WR, DE) because of it.
    I wish more people would realize that.
    There are still some people on this board who think Tice was a better HC than Childress simply because his second season record was better.
    :
    They forget that Tice was reaping the benefits of Denny's drafts, and Childress is suffering still because of Tice's...
    LOL! Yeah I can see where you think inheriting the following players made Childress suffer
    : ;

    Kenechi Udeze
    Mewelde Moore
    Kevin Williams
    E.J. Henderson
    Bryant McKinnie
    Pat Williams
    Antoine Winfield



    Childress' 2006 roster;

    CB/S
    Rashad Baker
    C/T
    Matt Birk
    S
    Greg Blue
    QB
    Brooks Bollinger
    WR
    Jason Carter
    C
    Ryan Cook
    LB
    Marquis Cooper
    LB
    Rod Davis
    TE/FB
    Jeff Dugan
    DE
    Ray Edwards
    LB
    Heath Farwell
    RB
    Ciatrick Fason
    LB
    Jason Glenn
    CB
    Charles Gordon
    CB
    Cedric Griffin
    LB
    Napoleon Harris
    LB
    E. J. Henderson
    C
    Anthony Herrera
    T
    Artis Hicks
    S
    Will Hunter
    G
    Steve Hutchinson
    QB
    Tarvaris Jackson
    DE
    Erasmus James
    WR
    Bethel Johnson
    QB
    Brad Johnson
    G
    Marcus Johnson
    DT/NT
    Spencer Johnson
    TE/HB/RB
    Jimmy Kleinsasser
    P
    Chris Kluwe
    DT
    Ross Kolodziej
    LB
    Ben Leber
    C
    Cullen Loeffler
    K
    Ryan Longwell
    WR
    Maurice Mann
    T
    Bryant McKinnie
    WR
    Billy McMullen
    DE
    Jayme Mitchell
    RB
    Mewelde Moore
    WR
    Martin Nance
    TE
    Richard Owens
    RB
    Artose Pinner
    FB/RB
    Tony Richardson
    WR
    Marcus Robinson
    G/T
    Mike Rosenthal
    DE
    Darrion Scott
    S/CB
    Darren Sharper
    CB
    Dwight Smith
    DE
    Khreem Smith
    CB
    Fred Smoot
    RB
    Chester Taylor
    WR
    Travis Taylor
    LB
    Dontarrious Thomas
    DE
    Kenechi Udeze
    CB
    Ronyell Whitaker
    T
    Jason Whittle
    TE/RB
    Jermaine Wiggins
    DT
    Kevin Williams
    DT/NT
    Pat Williams
    WR
    Troy Williamson
    CB
    Antoine Winfield


    Tice's 2002 roster;

    WR
    Derrick Alexander
    K
    Gary Anderson
    WR
    D'Wayne Bates
    RB
    Michael Bennett
    LB
    Greg Biekert
    C/T
    Matt Birk
    QB
    Todd Bouman
    CB
    Ronnie Bradford
    S
    Jack Brewer
    K
    Doug Brien
    DE
    Lorenzo Bromell
    WR
    Kelly Campbell
    CB/S
    Tyrone Carter
    TE
    Matt Cercone
    WR
    Byron Chamberlain
    RB
    Doug Chapman
    S
    Corey Chavous
    LB
    Patrick Chukwurah
    LB
    Henri Crockett
    QB
    Daunte Culpepper
    WR
    Nick Davis
    G/T
    David Dixon
    K
    Hayden Epstein
    TE
    Hunter Goodwin
    T
    Adam Haayer
    LB
    Lemanski Hall
    DT
    Darius Holland
    DT/NT
    Chris Hovan
    WR
    Cedric James
    DE
    Lance Johnstone
    CB
    Eric Kelly
    G/T
    Lewis Kelly
    RB/HB
    Jimmy Kleinsasser
    G
    Corbin Lacina
    TE
    Brody Liddiard
    G/C
    Everett Lindsay
    G/T
    Chris Liwienski
    T
    Bryant McKinnie
    DE
    Kenny Mixon
    FB
    Harold Morrow
    WR
    Randy Moss
    LB
    Jim Nelson
    S
    Willie Offord
    S
    Jason Perry
    P
    Kyle Richardson
    NT
    Fred Robbins
    LB
    Nick Rogers
    S
    Brian Russell
    DE
    Talance Sawyer
    CB
    Carey Scott
    WR
    Chris Walsh
    DE
    Chuck Wiley
    CB
    Brian Williams
    RB
    Moe Williams
    LB
    Antonio Wilson
    C
    Cory Withrow
    RB
    James Wofford


    What he did inherit was the worthless coaching staff that Tice had to work with under Red's budget. Tice never had the luxury of Wilf's pocket book to aquire decent coaches.

    I thought you were only talking about guys he had drafted. He didn't draft these guys.

    Thanks Josdin00 for the sig!

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    Re: Vikings front office: Four on the floor

    "davike" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Vikes_King" wrote:
    perfect time to throw out my favorite stat

    Last year the starting 22 players for the Colts that won the Super Bowl had only played for the Colts, no other team.


    Building through the draft is the best option, and with our front office we should be able to continue to do so
    Excellent point.

    I think that is what this staff is trying to do. The problem lies in the fact that they (previous regime) didn't draft well in the out years.


    We are not feeling the effects of that and will have to plug a few holes with FA (WR, DE) because of it.
    I wish more people would realize that.
    There are still some people on this board who think Tice was a better HC than Childress simply because his second season record was better.
    :
    They forget that Tice was reaping the benefits of Denny's drafts, and Childress is suffering still because of Tice's...
    LOL! Yeah I can see where you think inheriting the following players made Childress suffer
    : ;

    Kenechi Udeze
    Mewelde Moore
    Kevin Williams
    E.J. Henderson
    Bryant McKinnie
    Pat Williams
    Antoine Winfield



    Childress' 2006 roster;

    CB/S
    Rashad Baker
    C/T
    Matt Birk
    S
    Greg Blue
    QB
    Brooks Bollinger
    WR
    Jason Carter
    C
    Ryan Cook
    LB
    Marquis Cooper
    LB
    Rod Davis
    TE/FB
    Jeff Dugan
    DE
    Ray Edwards
    LB
    Heath Farwell
    RB
    Ciatrick Fason
    LB
    Jason Glenn
    CB
    Charles Gordon
    CB
    Cedric Griffin
    LB
    Napoleon Harris
    LB
    E. J. Henderson
    C
    Anthony Herrera
    T
    Artis Hicks
    S
    Will Hunter
    G
    Steve Hutchinson
    QB
    Tarvaris Jackson
    DE
    Erasmus James
    WR
    Bethel Johnson
    QB
    Brad Johnson
    G
    Marcus Johnson
    DT/NT
    Spencer Johnson
    TE/HB/RB
    Jimmy Kleinsasser
    P
    Chris Kluwe
    DT
    Ross Kolodziej
    LB
    Ben Leber
    C
    Cullen Loeffler
    K
    Ryan Longwell
    WR
    Maurice Mann
    T
    Bryant McKinnie
    WR
    Billy McMullen
    DE
    Jayme Mitchell
    RB
    Mewelde Moore
    WR
    Martin Nance
    TE
    Richard Owens
    RB
    Artose Pinner
    FB/RB
    Tony Richardson
    WR
    Marcus Robinson
    G/T
    Mike Rosenthal
    DE
    Darrion Scott
    S/CB
    Darren Sharper
    CB
    Dwight Smith
    DE
    Khreem Smith
    CB
    Fred Smoot
    RB
    Chester Taylor
    WR
    Travis Taylor
    LB
    Dontarrious Thomas
    DE
    Kenechi Udeze
    CB
    Ronyell Whitaker
    T
    Jason Whittle
    TE/RB
    Jermaine Wiggins
    DT
    Kevin Williams
    DT/NT
    Pat Williams
    WR
    Troy Williamson
    CB
    Antoine Winfield


    Tice's 2002 roster;

    WR
    Derrick Alexander
    K
    Gary Anderson
    WR
    D'Wayne Bates
    RB
    Michael Bennett
    LB
    Greg Biekert
    C/T
    Matt Birk
    QB
    Todd Bouman
    CB
    Ronnie Bradford
    S
    Jack Brewer
    K
    Doug Brien
    DE
    Lorenzo Bromell
    WR
    Kelly Campbell
    CB/S
    Tyrone Carter
    TE
    Matt Cercone
    WR
    Byron Chamberlain
    RB
    Doug Chapman
    S
    Corey Chavous
    LB
    Patrick Chukwurah
    LB
    Henri Crockett
    QB
    Daunte Culpepper
    WR
    Nick Davis
    G/T
    David Dixon
    K
    Hayden Epstein
    TE
    Hunter Goodwin
    T
    Adam Haayer
    LB
    Lemanski Hall
    DT
    Darius Holland
    DT/NT
    Chris Hovan
    WR
    Cedric James
    DE
    Lance Johnstone
    CB
    Eric Kelly
    G/T
    Lewis Kelly
    RB/HB
    Jimmy Kleinsasser
    G
    Corbin Lacina
    TE
    Brody Liddiard
    G/C
    Everett Lindsay
    G/T
    Chris Liwienski
    T
    Bryant McKinnie
    DE
    Kenny Mixon
    FB
    Harold Morrow
    WR
    Randy Moss
    LB
    Jim Nelson
    S
    Willie Offord
    S
    Jason Perry
    P
    Kyle Richardson
    NT
    Fred Robbins
    LB
    Nick Rogers
    S
    Brian Russell
    DE
    Talance Sawyer
    CB
    Carey Scott
    WR
    Chris Walsh
    DE
    Chuck Wiley
    CB
    Brian Williams
    RB
    Moe Williams
    LB
    Antonio Wilson
    C
    Cory Withrow
    RB
    James Wofford


    What he did inherit was the worthless coaching staff that Tice had to work with under Red's budget. Tice never had the luxury of Wilf's pocket book to aquire decent coaches.

    I thought you were only talking about guys he had drafted. He didn't draft these guys.
    We were.
    Singer raise the stakes a bit.
    ;D

    What was Phat Pat doing before Childress and company took over?
    Truth be told nothing.
    Our Defense sucked with both of Will brothers working in tandem.

    Talk about using your players to thier strenghts.

    2005
    NAME





    TOT SOLO AST SACK TLOSS
    Pat Williams

    67

    43

    24
    1.5


    9
    Kevin Williams 42

    30

    12
    4.0


    2

    2006
    Pat Williams

    44

    37

    7

    1.0

    9

    Kevin Williams 36

    29

    7

    5.0

    6

    2007
    Pat Williams

    64


    44
    20
    2.0

    11
    Kevin Williams 38


    30

    8

    3.0

    4

    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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