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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players my friend.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and damn rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.
    Seriously, thats all we heard last year is how he would have saved us if he was on the team.
    17 pages of results if you search "Garcia" by the by.
    ;D

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.
    Seriously, thats all we heard last year is how he would have saved us if he was on the team.
    17 pages of results if you search "Garcia" by the by.

    ;D

    17 pages does not equal savior. I am sure it is 17 pages about Garcia being an upgrade over the crap we have right now.

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.
    Seriously, thats all we heard last year is how he would have saved us if he was on the team.
    17 pages of results if you search "Garcia" by the by.

    ;D

    17 pages does not equal savior. I am sure it is 17 pages about Garcia being an upgrade over the crap we have right now.
    Comeon.
    Don't make me pull threads and identify posters.
    You know I don't do that...... ;D
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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    If this team had even just a "good" to "very good" QB, we'd be scary.
    More consistent OL play would be nice too.

    It'd been nice to have this kind of defense in '98 or '00...who knows what might have been.
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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=ejmat link=topic=51333.msg931828#msg931828 date=1239020622]
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.
    Seriously, thats all we heard last year is how he would have saved us if he was on the team.
    17 pages of results if you search "Garcia" by the by.

    ;D

    17 pages does not equal savior. I am sure it is 17 pages about Garcia being an upgrade over the crap we have right now.
    Comeon.
    Don't make me pull threads and identify posters.
    You know I don't do that...... ;D
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    Yeah - why do that when you can just assure us all that it really happened the way you think it happened.

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
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    [quote author=ejmat link=topic=51333.msg931828#msg931828 date=1239020622]
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.

    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I have never heard anyone say Garcia is going to be a savior. He would serve as a very good backup plan.
    Seriously, thats all we heard last year is how he would have saved us if he was on the team.
    17 pages of results if you search "Garcia" by the by.

    ;D

    17 pages does not equal savior. I am sure it is 17 pages about Garcia being an upgrade over the crap we have right now.
    Comeon.
    Don't make me pull threads and identify posters.
    You know I don't do that...... ;D
    [/quote]

    Pull them up

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy


    I'm excited about our defense.... Does Garcia play safety?.

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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    [quote author=V link=topic=51333.msg931843#msg931843 date=1239022350]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=51333.msg931834#msg931834 date=1239021607]
    [quote author=ejmat link=topic=51333.msg931828#msg931828 date=1239020622]
    Thatnks for the read Marrdro.
    Hopefully the defense comes up huge this year and helps out the questionable QB situation.
    I worry more about our D-cord than I do the players My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Just don't have the man love for that cat like most on here.
    IMHO our Defense should have been better than it was last year, especially for the first two games, based on the QB's (one making first start/other coming off knee surgery and gol 'darnit rusty) and the patched together OL's that were protecting them.
    To be very honest I wish they would bring in Garcia.
    I know you and others think he is no better than a 9-7 guy but really how would we know?
    He hasn't played an entire season yet.
    I know he brought the Eagles to the playoffs two years ago when no one thought they had a chance.
    His record was better than 9-7.
    Last year he lost his job when he got hurt but when he played against our defense he made them look silly at times.
    He is accurate and smart with the rock.
    Ohhhhh, don't get me wrong on Garcia.
    I would love for them to bring him in.
    I just don't see him as the saviour most see him as.
    I just don't get it. Our D played extremely well in those games. Holding two solid offenses to 17.5 points is very good. That is the work of a top 5 D.
    How many sacks did they get on Rodgers and Manning?

    Seriously, two crappy OL's and two QB's that should have been sitting ducks.


    Did they play well against the run?
    Hell yes, however, Were was the pressure?
    Were were the INT"s.
    Dude don't know pooh about how to use that DL to get pressure.


    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20080914016
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20070930016
    This is very unlike you Marr:

    Giving the players credit for the good, but blaming the coaches for the bad.
    Using Sack statistics to quantify DL play.

    Bottomline is that they kept points off of the board, and gave our offense numerous chances to win the game.
    I am in no way taking away from the effort.
    Just the overall effect.

    They dominated the Colts in the first half and then came out and gave up a cheap TD early in the 3rd QTR, why?
    Did the gameplan change?
    Did the Colts do something different?
    Were our starters hurt or winded?

    Long story short, they didn't play a good 60 minutes of football.
    IMHO that falls to the coaching staff as much as it does to the players but in this case, I believe or team wasn't ready to play 60 minutes of ball because of the lame assed prep they did in the pre-season.
    [/quote]

    I think the overall effect was pretty damned good. Our D played dominant in the first, and our offense could not take advantage, could barely even generate one big play, let alone first downs. It's not as if the second half was a completely different game. The only big differences were two big plays by the Colts offense, and a missed FG by Longwell.

    I didn't see a fatigued team, so I think it has nothing to do with prepearation. It is simply extremely rare to shut Indy's offense down for 60 minutes. The lead should have been much bigger and the end of the half.

    In general I'm not going to blame the D for keeping any offense, especially good ones, under 20 points.

    [/quote]
    Nor am I, however, in this case (actually both games) I was very disappointed with the front 4's ability to get to the QB and pressure him.

    End result, very minimal yards rushing and huge numbers in the passing game. And minimal points put on the board.

    My hope is that will change this year and we will be able to get off the field more often.
    [/quote]

    I honestly don't want to see any change. I want our defense to play exactly how it did last year, but healthier.
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    Re: Vikings excited about their defense, if everyone stays healthy

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    I think the overall effect was pretty damned good. Our D played dominant in the first, and our offense could not take advantage, could barely even generate one big play, let alone first downs. It's not as if the second half was a completely different game. The only big differences were two big plays by the Colts offense, and a missed FG by Longwell.

    I didn't see a fatigued team, so I think it has nothing to do with prepearation. It is simply extremely rare to shut Indy's offense down for 60 minutes. The lead should have been much bigger and the end of the half.

    In general I'm not going to blame the D for keeping any offense, especially good ones, under 20 points.
    Rodgers was playing in his 1st NFL start... Manning was still recovering from a 2nd knee surgery and was behind an O Line full of injuries.
    Neither of these offenses was considered good at that point in the season.
    Like it or not, the Vikings O gave the team a 15 point lead with about 16 minutes left in the game... it was the D that blew that 2 score lead in the end.
    It was the D that gave up the big plays against both the Colts and the Packers... it was a Defense that failed to generate any turnovers or easy opportunities for the Offense.
    Could the Offense have played better?
    Sure.
    But the Offense did enough to win both of those games had the Defense done more of what it was supposed to.
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