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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    Caine wrote:
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    This entire article is made of things I have been saying for YEARS about Chiller. Including his perceived complete power within the organization (Which the author points out as well).

    None of this shocks me...I actually believe it's accurate - even if it is Yahoo. I wish I knew who "The Player" was...I'll bet Chiller does too...

    Caine
    So tell me... what exactly is your explanation for the continued improvement in the MN Vikings record? Happenstance? Luck? It's not even conceivable that it's the continued coaching of the talent we have?
    Not really...if you recall the '05 season (The last under Tice), we were 9-7, and looking at one of the EASIEST schedules we'd seen in years. Chiller comes in, promises a KAO, and manages to go 6-10...

    wow.

    Of course, almost immediately the critics were out - they pointed to his lack of play calling experience, his overblown coaching record, his inflexibility, and - despite an open bank account from Wilf - his hiring of Bevell (Who was even LESS qualified than Steve Loney had been the year before). And that's just the easy ones.

    No one really blamed him for Culpepper leaving, and no one blamed him for Moss.

    But his new and improved team managed only 6-10.

    2007 - Chiller promises that Jackson - his 2nd round reach project in '06 - is ready to lead the team...but he really isn't. Instead, Rookie Adrian Peterson exceeds all expectations and blows the doors off the NFL. This saves Chillers bacon because his KAO is crippled. He has NO passing game at all, and only the play of Peterson/Taylor and the Defense allows the Vikes to claw their way to 8-8.

    2008 - Chiller boldly promises that Jackson is "Ready to lead"..and benches him for Frerotte after two lousy games. Frerotte capitalizes on the acquisition of Berrian and the emergence of Shiancoe to get the Vikings into 1st place in the NFCN...of course, it doesn't hurt that the Lions (0-16), Bears (9-7), and Packers (6-10) ALL manage to self-destruct.

    2009 - Chiller AGAIN tells the world that he has confidence in Jackson...then begs Favre to unretire again. Favre does, and the KAO finally emerges...with Favre leading it.

    The way I see it, the only reason we've continued to improve is that Chiller & company managed to plug in Veterans in key positions. Favre, Berrian, Allen, etc. Chiller's pet project - Jackson - pretty much floundered.

    BleedinPandG wrote
    Also, please explain how after 18 years in the league, after having played under a variety of coaches, having played with talent equal to if not superior to what the Vikings had for a supporting cast, and having played in better physical condition... Brett Favre came into the offense created by Childress and had the best year of his 19 year career? How did someone as inept (in your opinion) as Childress create a situation so vastly superior to any other situation BF encoutered in his previous 18 years of playing to enable BF to have a career year in his 40s? Please, explain that.
    1: Chiller didn't "create" this offense...it's the same one Favre has been running for YEARS.

    2: Favre wanted to go out on top - Thompson screwed him over, and the best team out there without a QB was Minnesota...and we run the offense he knows. It was a LOGICAL fit.

    Take a look back at the League in '08-'09, how many legitimate play off teams needed a QB? Only Minnesota.

    How many of them ran the WCO that Favre has been playing his entire NFL career? Minnesota.

    It had very little to do with Chiller. In fact, had Chiller actually managed to find a QB prior to '09, we never would have gone after Favre.

    BleedinPandG wrote
    I get it... Chilly's not likeable... he looks like a doof... he sounds like a doof... but the stats speak for themselves. The team has gotten better consistently year after year in all aspects of football. The team's track record in the draft has been tremendous under his leadership. The man may have the personality of a wet rag, but he knows what he's doing.
    Actually, I rather like his personality. It's his coaching I'm not fond of, his play calling, and his QB development skills (Or complete lack thereof). I'm also not thrilled with his hyperconservative game planning, his inability to fire up his team for big games, his refusal to alter his plans despite continued evidence of failure, and a host of other FOOTBALL related issues.

    His personality is quirky and rather humanizing.

    BleedinPandG wrote
    It just pains me... actually makes me sad... that some people are so full of themselves that no amount of data will ever show them the errors of their ways... even after we win the Super Bowl... you'll be calling it luck versus acknowledging the talents and skills of the man at the top.
    1: You have no idea what I'll be doing after a Superbowl win. But thanks for trying to characterize me as blindly bitter.

    2: It has long been my contention that Chiller hasn't done anything special - but I have ALWAYS given him credit for his team assembly ability - the ONE area I like about him. Of course, if you actually knew anything about me, you'd know that...but you chose to assault out of ignorance.

    3: It is my considered opinion that the success of the '09 Vikings had far more to do with Favre than with Chiller. Despite Marrdro's contention that the team carried Favre, I believe the opposite.

    4: So, aside from the logical conclusion that Chiller was able to assemble a solid team and that lead to a series of better records, what "data" exists to validate him as a Offensive leader? His KAO never was until Favre got here - and Favre is widely acknowledged as a great offensive leader...Chiller isn't. What other "data" have you got? Anything?

    I doubt it.

    Caine
    I'm also a strong believer in number 3.

    Childress ,Spielman, Studwell and staff have proven to be pretty good evaluators of talent.They hit more often than not and do pretty well in their mid round draft picks.

    I hate the zone blocking scheme. It seems difficult to run when your line runs sideways. There seems to be no push.
    I understand the concept of getting to the second level and all.
    But sometimes I would like to see them just line up and physically dominate the men ahead of them.

    Right now I equate articles like the one referenced as this years 'schizm'.

    If we win, all will be fine. If we suck, Katy bar the doors.
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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    Im always skeptical of news when it says "sources:, or unnamed person:". Lacks credibility.

    Its not secret Favre and Chilly dont see eye to eye. It was evident last year. And the Vikings got to the conference title game and should have won it.

    This is what the Vikings signed up for when they brought Brett in. No named jerkoffs grasping for any straw they can trying to make a story that isn't there, or isn't anything more than making a mountain out of a mole hole.
    ...Rodgers had to hold on the ball longer, giving players like Jared "I am completely insane and will literally eat your children" Allen time to sack Rodgers again.And again. And again. Actually I think Rodgers may have nightmares about Jared Allen the rest of the year.

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    People don't throw out made up shit ... it is very likely that he has a legit source who said this.

    BUT ... that being said ... I cowardly source who is willing to say this but not go public makes it seem like it is NOT something that most in the locker room agree with.

    I think the media likes to feast on these things though. I personally do not think there is that much of a problem between Chilly and Favre and think they both actually get a kick out of goofy shit like this floating around.

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    Anything to fan the flames and sell some advertising space.

    How many people that you cant stand do you have come over and hang out to spend a weekend with? Chilly did that a couple of times with Favre this offseason from what I recall...

    I would put money that if Chilly was on his 2nd head coaching job with another team, but going through this same thing, the criticism would be 90% less. Belechich was terrible with the Browns and made the worst coaching decisions ever, and everyone hated him. Now he is the greatest coach of all time(I say that loosely)because he is with a new team. He escaped all the bad stuff he did, learned from it and became a better coach. Chilly is a way better coach than he was, and this is a way better team. The only difference is Chilly didnt get booted to start fresh. He still has to hear all this BS eventhough he proved all the dumba$$es wrong when they mocked his offense and mocked his persuit of Favre. This team is much better than the "Beloved Tice" days.

    GET OVER IT. RALLY BEHIND YOUR TEAM INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE STUPIDITY THAT THIS HAS BECOME...

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    No real story here. Just the media looking for a shizm. I think espn officialy changed "favre watch" to "shizm watch" once favre arrived on Tuesday). I think we'll get many more stories of this nature the next couple weeks.

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    All this BS goes away when we start winning games, and we will.

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

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    No real story here. Just the media looking for a shizm.
    Or manufacturing one that doesn't exist to give them something to debate on TV, since they're not interested in discussing the dirty play of certain Saint lineman or the unsportsmanlike behavior of a certain former Redskin defensive coordinator.

    As for the Yahoo report, I spoke with a Vikings player yesterday who said nothing of the sort. In fact, he spoke very highly of Chilly as a coach and a leader, as well as the overall leadership of the team from the Wilfs on down to certain guys in the locker room. I'm not saying who that player was right now, but only because I'm doing a piece on him and don't want to let too many cats outta the bag before the article's published. The only place a schism exists is in the meeting rooms of NFL TV personalities as they "brain storm" how to fill hours and hours of broadcasting when they don't want to talk about facts.

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

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    No real story here. Just the media looking for a shizm.
    Or manufacturing one that doesn't exist to give them something to debate on TV, since they're not interested in discussing the dirty play of certain Saint lineman or the unsportsmanlike behavior of a certain former Redskin defensive coordinator.

    As for the Yahoo report, I spoke with a Vikings player yesterday who said nothing of the sort. In fact, he spoke very highly of Chilly as a coach and a leader, as well as the overall leadership of the team from the Wilfs on down to certain guys in the locker room. I'm not saying who that player was right now, but only because I'm doing a piece on him and don't want to let too many cats outta the bag before the article's published. The only place a schism exists is in the meeting rooms of NFL TV personalities as they "brain storm" how to fill hours and hours of broadcasting when they don't want to talk about facts.
    Mike - good to see you back here bro. Thanks for the feedback. Of course it holds as much weight as the Yahoo crap at this time :laugh: I have to say that since I stated earlier there is an "unnamed source". :P Thanks for keeping us up to speed!

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    Re:Vikings coach loses cred in locker room

    Mike Bullock wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    No real story here. Just the media looking for a shizm.
    Or manufacturing one that doesn't exist to give them something to debate on TV, since they're not interested in discussing the dirty play of certain Saint lineman or the unsportsmanlike behavior of a certain former Redskin defensive coordinator.

    As for the Yahoo report, I spoke with a Vikings player yesterday who said nothing of the sort. In fact, he spoke very highly of Chilly as a coach and a leader, as well as the overall leadership of the team from the Wilfs on down to certain guys in the locker room. I'm not saying who that player was right now, but only because I'm doing a piece on him and don't want to let too many cats outta the bag before the article's published. The only place a schism exists is in the meeting rooms of NFL TV personalities as they "brain storm" how to fill hours and hours of broadcasting when they don't want to talk about facts.
    Cheers for the insight Mike

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    ejmat wrote:

    Mike - good to see you back here bro. Thanks for the feedback. Of course it holds as much weight as the Yahoo crap at this time :laugh: I have to say that since I stated earlier there is an "unnamed source". :P Thanks for keeping us up to speed![/quote]

    Thanks. After that Championship game, I had a hard time finding a way to cover the Vikes without coming off like an angry, biased fan, so I needed to take a breather for a bit. But, I started the column back up a few weeks ago and wanted to get back into the PP life as well.

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