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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

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    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=52864.msg987332#msg987332 date=1251138904]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52864.msg987284#msg987284 date=1251131989]
    Here you go, here's Jackson's performance to date since coming back during the second half of last season (playoffs and preseason included):

    Attempts: 144
    Completions: 83
    %: 57
    Yards: 1,040
    TD: 9
    INTs: 2
    QB Rating : 95.3

    Good thing you are not a stats guy for a major company. THEY ARE WRONG! LMFAO!

    Attempts: 214
    Completions: 122
    Yards: 1461
    TD: 9
    INTs: 3
    QB Rating : 90.5
    No, CMac just left off the two worst games at the beginning of the year.
    He DID actually say that he was looking at the games since TJack came back off from the bench.

    What kills me is the inconsistency in those games.

    2008 Week 1 - 45.7%, 59.0 rating
    2008 Week 2 - 58.3%, 78.3 rating
    2008 Week 15 - 64.7%, 135.5 rating
    2008 Week 16 - 61.1%, 98.5 rating

    2008 Week 17 - 61.5%, 88.5 rating
    2008 Wildcard - 42.9%, 42.5 rating
    2009 PS 1 - 58%, 53.5 rating

    2009 PS 2 - 80%, 158.3 rating

    In the past 8 games that he has played, he has had 3 bad games, 3 good games, and 2 average games.
    I'd take 3 bad games out of 8 over 6 bad games out of 6(Favre last 6 games counting preseason)
    ;D
    I'll take experience over indecisiveness any day of the week. BTW the only thing that matters is what Favre does as a Viking. What ever happened to this statement?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    All Favre past accomplishments mean nothing, the past is the past, we're looking to the future.
    I suppose I'd take experience over indecisiveness too, though I don't think it's an either or. BTW, I'll take Favre over Tjack too, maybe not under these conditions, but hey I'm stoked. Before the game on Friday I went out and bought a Favre T-shirt.
    That is still true. But in predicting the future it is valuable to use the immediate past, as apposed to ancient history. Looking at Favre last 6 games is a big difference from talking about MVP's and Superbowls won more than a decade ago. That's a little out of context here.
    Personally I think experience is overrated. I'll take performance over experience. Gus had experience. If experience was as good as ability Qb's would play into there 50's, getting better and better. But what we know about Qb's is that most reach there prime in ther late 20's early 30's and then go down hill until retirement. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the norm.
    [/quote]

    Frerottes experience is nowhere near Favres.
    [/quote]

    PLEASE.
    When was the last time your golden idol Favrewad shoved his head and spine through a endzone wall?
    Not so experienced NOW, is he?!

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=52864.msg987332#msg987332 date=1251138904]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52864.msg987284#msg987284 date=1251131989]
    Here you go, here's Jackson's performance to date since coming back during the second half of last season (playoffs and preseason included):

    Attempts: 144
    Completions: 83
    %: 57
    Yards: 1,040
    TD: 9
    INTs: 2
    QB Rating : 95.3

    Good thing you are not a stats guy for a major company. THEY ARE WRONG! LMFAO!

    Attempts: 214
    Completions: 122
    Yards: 1461
    TD: 9
    INTs: 3
    QB Rating : 90.5
    No, CMac just left off the two worst games at the beginning of the year.
    He DID actually say that he was looking at the games since TJack came back off from the bench.

    What kills me is the inconsistency in those games.

    2008 Week 1 - 45.7%, 59.0 rating
    2008 Week 2 - 58.3%, 78.3 rating
    2008 Week 15 - 64.7%, 135.5 rating
    2008 Week 16 - 61.1%, 98.5 rating

    2008 Week 17 - 61.5%, 88.5 rating
    2008 Wildcard - 42.9%, 42.5 rating
    2009 PS 1 - 58%, 53.5 rating

    2009 PS 2 - 80%, 158.3 rating

    In the past 8 games that he has played, he has had 3 bad games, 3 good games, and 2 average games.
    I'd take 3 bad games out of 8 over 6 bad games out of 6(Favre last 6 games counting preseason)
    ;D
    I'll take experience over indecisiveness any day of the week. BTW the only thing that matters is what Favre does as a Viking. What ever happened to this statement?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    All Favre past accomplishments mean nothing, the past is the past, we're looking to the future.
    I suppose I'd take experience over indecisiveness too, though I don't think it's an either or. BTW, I'll take Favre over Tjack too, maybe not under these conditions, but hey I'm stoked. Before the game on Friday I went out and bought a Favre T-shirt.
    That is still true. But in predicting the future it is valuable to use the immediate past, as apposed to ancient history. Looking at Favre last 6 games is a big difference from talking about MVP's and Superbowls won more than a decade ago. That's a little out of context here.
    Personally I think experience is overrated. I'll take performance over experience. Gus had experience. If experience was as good as ability Qb's would play into there 50's, getting better and better. But what we know about Qb's is that most reach there prime in ther late 20's early 30's and then go down hill until retirement. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the norm.
    [/quote]

    Frerottes experience is nowhere near Favres.
    [/quote]
    15 years compared to 18. Favre has had more success but we're not talking about ability just experience. Ferrotte played for several different teams so he had more experience in some critical areas. All Favre knows is Green Bay, and he's not in Green Bay anymore.

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=52864.msg987334#msg987334 date=1251139372]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=52864.msg987332#msg987332 date=1251138904]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52864.msg987284#msg987284 date=1251131989]
    Here you go, here's Jackson's performance to date since coming back during the second half of last season (playoffs and preseason included):

    Attempts: 144
    Completions: 83
    %: 57
    Yards: 1,040
    TD: 9
    INTs: 2
    QB Rating : 95.3

    Good thing you are not a stats guy for a major company. THEY ARE WRONG! LMFAO!

    Attempts: 214
    Completions: 122
    Yards: 1461
    TD: 9
    INTs: 3
    QB Rating : 90.5
    No, CMac just left off the two worst games at the beginning of the year.
    He DID actually say that he was looking at the games since TJack came back off from the bench.

    What kills me is the inconsistency in those games.

    2008 Week 1 - 45.7%, 59.0 rating
    2008 Week 2 - 58.3%, 78.3 rating
    2008 Week 15 - 64.7%, 135.5 rating
    2008 Week 16 - 61.1%, 98.5 rating

    2008 Week 17 - 61.5%, 88.5 rating
    2008 Wildcard - 42.9%, 42.5 rating
    2009 PS 1 - 58%, 53.5 rating

    2009 PS 2 - 80%, 158.3 rating

    In the past 8 games that he has played, he has had 3 bad games, 3 good games, and 2 average games.
    I'd take 3 bad games out of 8 over 6 bad games out of 6(Favre last 6 games counting preseason)
    ;D
    I'll take experience over indecisiveness any day of the week. BTW the only thing that matters is what Favre does as a Viking. What ever happened to this statement?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    All Favre past accomplishments mean nothing, the past is the past, we're looking to the future.
    I suppose I'd take experience over indecisiveness too, though I don't think it's an either or. BTW, I'll take Favre over Tjack too, maybe not under these conditions, but hey I'm stoked. Before the game on Friday I went out and bought a Favre T-shirt.
    That is still true. But in predicting the future it is valuable to use the immediate past, as apposed to ancient history. Looking at Favre last 6 games is a big difference from talking about MVP's and Superbowls won more than a decade ago. That's a little out of context here.
    Personally I think experience is overrated. I'll take performance over experience. Gus had experience. If experience was as good as ability Qb's would play into there 50's, getting better and better. But what we know about Qb's is that most reach there prime in ther late 20's early 30's and then go down hill until retirement. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the norm.
    [/quote]

    Frerottes experience is nowhere near Favres.
    [/quote]
    15 years compared to 18. Favre has had more success but we're not talking about ability just experience. Ferrotte played for several different teams so he had more experience in some critical areas. All Favre knows is Green Bay, and he's not in Green Bay anymore.
    [/quote]

    We are talking actual game experience not years.

    Favre: 273 regular season, 22 Playoff games
    Frerotte: 147 regular season, 0 Playoff games

    Big difference. Yes Favre only knows GB, almost the exact same offense we are running.

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=52864.msg987650#msg987650 date=1251211155]
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=52864.msg987334#msg987334 date=1251139372]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=52864.msg987332#msg987332 date=1251138904]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52864.msg987284#msg987284 date=1251131989]
    Here you go, here's Jackson's performance to date since coming back during the second half of last season (playoffs and preseason included):

    Attempts: 144
    Completions: 83
    %: 57
    Yards: 1,040
    TD: 9
    INTs: 2
    QB Rating : 95.3

    Good thing you are not a stats guy for a major company. THEY ARE WRONG! LMFAO!

    Attempts: 214
    Completions: 122
    Yards: 1461
    TD: 9
    INTs: 3
    QB Rating : 90.5
    No, CMac just left off the two worst games at the beginning of the year.
    He DID actually say that he was looking at the games since TJack came back off from the bench.

    What kills me is the inconsistency in those games.

    2008 Week 1 - 45.7%, 59.0 rating
    2008 Week 2 - 58.3%, 78.3 rating
    2008 Week 15 - 64.7%, 135.5 rating
    2008 Week 16 - 61.1%, 98.5 rating

    2008 Week 17 - 61.5%, 88.5 rating
    2008 Wildcard - 42.9%, 42.5 rating
    2009 PS 1 - 58%, 53.5 rating

    2009 PS 2 - 80%, 158.3 rating

    In the past 8 games that he has played, he has had 3 bad games, 3 good games, and 2 average games.
    I'd take 3 bad games out of 8 over 6 bad games out of 6(Favre last 6 games counting preseason)
    ;D
    I'll take experience over indecisiveness any day of the week. BTW the only thing that matters is what Favre does as a Viking. What ever happened to this statement?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    All Favre past accomplishments mean nothing, the past is the past, we're looking to the future.
    I suppose I'd take experience over indecisiveness too, though I don't think it's an either or. BTW, I'll take Favre over Tjack too, maybe not under these conditions, but hey I'm stoked. Before the game on Friday I went out and bought a Favre T-shirt.
    That is still true. But in predicting the future it is valuable to use the immediate past, as apposed to ancient history. Looking at Favre last 6 games is a big difference from talking about MVP's and Superbowls won more than a decade ago. That's a little out of context here.
    Personally I think experience is overrated. I'll take performance over experience. Gus had experience. If experience was as good as ability Qb's would play into there 50's, getting better and better. But what we know about Qb's is that most reach there prime in ther late 20's early 30's and then go down hill until retirement. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the norm.
    [/quote]

    Frerottes experience is nowhere near Favres.
    [/quote]
    15 years compared to 18. Favre has had more success but we're not talking about ability just experience. Ferrotte played for several different teams so he had more experience in some critical areas. All Favre knows is Green Bay, and he's not in Green Bay anymore.
    [/quote]

    We are talking actual game experience not years.

    Favre: 273 regular season, 22 Playoff games
    Frerotte: 147 regular season, 0 Playoff games

    Big difference. Yes Favre only knows GB, almost the exact same offense we are running.
    [/quote]Both have a ton of experience. I guess Favre does have a lot more but I'm not sure it is going to be that valuable. Time will tell, I think his rocket arm and quick release will benefit him more than his experience. I would take a younger more athletic Favre over an older more experienced Favre anyday(same for most other older Qb's).

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=52864.msg987650#msg987650 date=1251211155]
    [quote author=NodakPaul link=topic=52864.msg987334#msg987334 date=1251139372]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=52864.msg987332#msg987332 date=1251138904]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=52864.msg987284#msg987284 date=1251131989]
    Here you go, here's Jackson's performance to date since coming back during the second half of last season (playoffs and preseason included):

    Attempts: 144
    Completions: 83
    %: 57
    Yards: 1,040
    TD: 9
    INTs: 2
    QB Rating : 95.3

    Good thing you are not a stats guy for a major company. THEY ARE WRONG! LMFAO!

    Attempts: 214
    Completions: 122
    Yards: 1461
    TD: 9
    INTs: 3
    QB Rating : 90.5
    No, CMac just left off the two worst games at the beginning of the year.
    He DID actually say that he was looking at the games since TJack came back off from the bench.

    What kills me is the inconsistency in those games.

    2008 Week 1 - 45.7%, 59.0 rating
    2008 Week 2 - 58.3%, 78.3 rating
    2008 Week 15 - 64.7%, 135.5 rating
    2008 Week 16 - 61.1%, 98.5 rating

    2008 Week 17 - 61.5%, 88.5 rating
    2008 Wildcard - 42.9%, 42.5 rating
    2009 PS 1 - 58%, 53.5 rating

    2009 PS 2 - 80%, 158.3 rating

    In the past 8 games that he has played, he has had 3 bad games, 3 good games, and 2 average games.
    I'd take 3 bad games out of 8 over 6 bad games out of 6(Favre last 6 games counting preseason)
    ;D
    I'll take experience over indecisiveness any day of the week. BTW the only thing that matters is what Favre does as a Viking. What ever happened to this statement?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    All Favre past accomplishments mean nothing, the past is the past, we're looking to the future.
    I suppose I'd take experience over indecisiveness too, though I don't think it's an either or. BTW, I'll take Favre over Tjack too, maybe not under these conditions, but hey I'm stoked. Before the game on Friday I went out and bought a Favre T-shirt.
    That is still true. But in predicting the future it is valuable to use the immediate past, as apposed to ancient history. Looking at Favre last 6 games is a big difference from talking about MVP's and Superbowls won more than a decade ago. That's a little out of context here.
    Personally I think experience is overrated. I'll take performance over experience. Gus had experience. If experience was as good as ability Qb's would play into there 50's, getting better and better. But what we know about Qb's is that most reach there prime in ther late 20's early 30's and then go down hill until retirement. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the norm.
    [/quote]

    Frerottes experience is nowhere near Favres.
    [/quote]
    15 years compared to 18. Favre has had more success but we're not talking about ability just experience. Ferrotte played for several different teams so he had more experience in some critical areas. All Favre knows is Green Bay, and he's not in Green Bay anymore.
    [/quote]

    We are talking actual game experience not years.

    Favre: 273 regular season, 22 Playoff games
    Frerotte: 147 regular season, 0 Playoff games

    Big difference. Yes Favre only knows GB, almost the exact same offense we are running.
    [/quote]

    Favre has seen more defensive fronts, coaches and player tendencies than TJ could even imagine.

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Barack" wrote:
    Statistics are almost irrelevant by now.
    After the way the front office treated him this offseason, it's obvious they have little to no faith left in him.
    Nor should they.
    For the good of us all, I hope he's gone by the start of this season.
    As far as the game goes, it was amazing.
    Amazingly preseason.

    :P
    That last sentence says it all...

    Funny thing though. To many here, Sage's performance last week wasn't "amazingly preseason".

    It was "He is the clear cut starter" & "Bye bye Jackson".

    Funny how preseason carries so much weight, validity & importance for some one week & then is quickly dismissed as "it's just preseason" the next.

    Sage - 0 preseasons as a Viking
    Favre - 0 preseasons as a Viking
    TJ - 3 preseasons as a Viking

    Does it make sense yet? or do I need to explain further?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with how much stock people put into preseason games as if it's a tell all of the upcoming season.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "marstc09" wrote:

    We are talking actual game experience not years.

    Favre: 273 regular season, 22 Playoff games
    Frerotte: 147 regular season, 0 Playoff games

    Big difference. Yes Favre only knows GB, almost the exact same offense we are running.
    Except in our offense, our receivers zig when Favre thinks they are supposed to zag, because that's the way they did in GB. Those are the types of nuances he has to get used to.

    The question I have is are our coaches teaching our receivers wrong or is that just a wrinkle in the way Childress' runs his version of the WCO?

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    Favre has seen more defensive fronts, coaches and player tendencies than TJ could even imagine.
    Which is why he's better at reading defenses.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

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    "marstc09" wrote:

    We are talking actual game experience not years.

    Favre: 273 regular season, 22 Playoff games
    Frerotte: 147 regular season, 0 Playoff games

    Big difference. Yes Favre only knows GB, almost the exact same offense we are running.
    Except in our offense, our receivers zig when Favre thinks they are supposed to zag, because that's the way they did in GB. Those are the types of nuances he has to get used to.

    The question I have is are our coaches teaching our receivers wrong or is that just a wrinkle in the way Childress' runs his version of the WCO?
    Hence the reason I used the word "almost".

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    Re: Vikings-Chiefs Postgame Thread [R]

    "singersp" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Barack" wrote:
    Statistics are almost irrelevant by now.
    After the way the front office treated him this offseason, it's obvious they have little to no faith left in him.
    Nor should they.
    For the good of us all, I hope he's gone by the start of this season.
    As far as the game goes, it was amazing.
    Amazingly preseason.

    :P
    That last sentence says it all...

    Funny thing though. To many here, Sage's performance last week wasn't "amazingly preseason".

    It was "He is the clear cut starter" & "Bye bye Jackson".

    Funny how preseason carries so much weight, validity & importance for some one week & then is quickly dismissed as "it's just preseason" the next.

    Sage - 0 preseasons as a Viking
    Favre - 0 preseasons as a Viking
    TJ - 3 preseasons as a Viking

    Does it make sense yet? or do I need to explain further?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with how much stock people put into preseason games as if it's a tell all of the upcoming season.
    Maybe not to you but that does not matter to me or someone else so I don't think you should be speaking for everyone.

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