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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I don't think anyone was expecting Allen to turn in a blazing 40 time. Most projections I read had him right around 4.5 (although he thinks he can run a 4.4). Good speed, but not elite. Doesn't mean he can't be a good deep threat receiver though. Especially at 6-3 or 6-2 depending on which site you read. His larger value I think will be in his versatility to play in any WR position.
    I'm just suggesting that it might help him fall to us a lil...and that we need not only a deep threat, speedster type of guy, but an all around, versatile route runner as well. And, probably another mid-late round developmental guy and maybe a low-tier vet, or Simpson back as well.

    IF we trade Harvin, our WRs currently signed are: Wright, Burton, Childs, Summers and LeMark Brown, apparently a converted TE...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I don't think anyone was expecting Allen to turn in a blazing 40 time. Most projections I read had him right around 4.5 (although he thinks he can run a 4.4). Good speed, but not elite. Doesn't mean he can't be a good deep threat receiver though. Especially at 6-3 or 6-2 depending on which site you read. His larger value I think will be in his versatility to play in any WR position.
    I agree, speed doesn't mean everything, look at Sidney Rice. He was our deep guy and Allen, I am sure is faster than he is. I think Allen will be a good pro but there are other WRs in the draft that I prefer.

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    I just happened to see an interview with Allen and thought he represented himself very well. Seemed intelligent, focused, and willing to put the work in. In other words, a great fit for the team-first, blue-collar team that seems to be building in MN.

    I wouldn't put that as the all important aspect to every draft pick, but a nice deciding factor when comparing guys who are all very close in value when considering the big picture, ie their whole game. And, if his skill set is as advertised: precise routes and reliable hands, I just think that's really, really important to building a young QB's confidence...whether that continues to be Ponder or not.

    Which is why I also like Woods in the 2nd, and/or Swope in the third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    That doesn't make him a bad recevier either. He showed some flashes of potential last year, and in a WR's rookie year that is normally all you can expect.

    I don't think that Wright will be as good as Harvin - Harvin really i a special player. But I think that a Wallace + Wright combo would be better than a Harvin + Wright combo. Mostly because both Harvin and Wright are best suited to the slot.

    That being said, I am not 100% sold on Wallace either. He is fast as hell, but isn't the best route runner. I think he would instantly be the #1 WR on our team, but that isn't saying much either. I hope we pursue him, but not break the bank on him.
    Wright is a 3rd WR at best. I see nothing that elevates him from alright. I wouldn't be upset if we cut him. We won't because our corps is that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    HOLY HELL Kevon... I agree with you!

    I don't like Wallace, nevermind as a #1 receiver. Wallace is a guy who has a role. He's a better version of Berrian. No more. There's no denying his speed, his straightline speed is unrivaled in this league. Problem is, there's more to football than running fast. He doesn't catch very well with his hands, he's got an attitude, he doesn't run the complete route tree. I don't even have faith in him to run more than half of it reliably. He's not overly big or physical, and he'll cost a LOT of money.

    He's Bernard Berrian 2.0. Mark my words. Somebody will overpay him based on some alright production with a guy with a huge arm throwing to him. He'll go to another team, be the #1 and be average to below average as far as production is concerned. COmpare the stats, he's a slightly improved Berrian.

    I'm not opposed to getting him, as we NEED receivers. Anything is better than nothing, but I hope we don't sacrifice better players in order to get him. I just don't think we're equipped to use him well.

    Lets calm down a bit. Berrian was never CLOSE to as productive as Mike Wallace has been. Hell, in Berrian's ENTIRE career he had 8 less touchdowns than Wallace has so far in his four years and only 80 more total yards. So, yes, I compared the stats and he is not "a slightly improved Berrian" ... he is a significantly better wide receiver than Berrian.

    All that said ... I would not break the bank for him in hopes of getting him and moving Percy. If we are going to pay someone ... I believe it should be Harvin. Now, if we can have both of them, we would be in very good shape at wideout and would quickly know if it is time to kick Ponder to the curb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Lets calm down a bit. Berrian was never CLOSE to as productive as Mike Wallace has been. Hell, in Berrian's ENTIRE career he had 8 less touchdowns than Wallace has so far in his four years and only 80 more total yards. So, yes, I compared the stats and he is not "a slightly improved Berrian" ... he is a significantly better wide receiver than Berrian.

    All that said ... I would not break the bank for him in hopes of getting him and moving Percy. If we are going to pay someone ... I believe it should be Harvin. Now, if we can have both of them, we would be in very good shape at wideout and would quickly know if it is time to kick Ponder to the curb.
    In his defense. Berrian never had as good QB as Big Ben...
    Does it not sicken anyone that BB was cut and no team sniffed him? How bad is our WR corps?
    Jenkins will not get a look either. WHy are we holding on to these pieces of garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    In his defense. Berrian never had as good QB as Big Ben...
    Does it not sicken anyone that BB was cut and no team sniffed him? How bad is our WR corps?
    Jenkins will not get a look either. WHy are we holding on to these pieces of garbage.
    I think we cut both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I think we cut both of them.
    Sorry.. I meant why did it take so long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    In his defense. Berrian never had as good a QB as Big Ben....
    WTF are you talking about?

    In 2009 Berrian had Brett Favre, who threw for 4,202 yards & 33 TD's, completed 28.6% of his passes & only threw 7 INT's . Big Ben threw 4,328 yards that year, but only threw 26 TD's, completed 66.6% of his passes & had 12 INT's.

    How can you even make that statement?

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    Bargains and busts in 2013 NFL free agency

    NFL Free Agency 2013: Mike Wallace Andre Smith, Fred Davis, more bargains and busts | Audibles - SI.com

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    Mike Wallace, WR: Itís understandable to have major questions about Wallace, who, on paper, probably is the jewel of this free-agent class. That standing combined with a plethora of teams in need of a No. 1 receiver means Wallace will get paid. He often appeared unmotivated last season, though, so what will his mindset be once he cashes in a monster paycheck?

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