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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    "Zeus" wrote:
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    I am excited for Saturday's game against the Chiefs.
    Who are the Chiefs playing on Saturday that's got you so interested in them?

    I, myself, will be watching the Vikings-Seahawks game.

    =Z=
    Doh.
    Early on a Monday.
    Thanks Z (Now where the hell did I get the Chiefs from?).
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    We sure did Marrdro, I hope to see more than 1 drive that scores a TD. Also I want to see us put a drive together after we make adjustments at halftime. A longball wouldn't hurt either. I want to see Troy haul one in, that would do wonders for my confidense in him. We are going in the right direction, just want to see it continue.

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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    It is time to panic.
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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    Hopefully, the passing game will be on pace by the start of the season...I know that the running game will be!
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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    We should get a good look at our number 1 guys on offense. I'd like to see Troy get behind the defense, and Shiancoe in the seem, and flat. Rice and Wade catch and run in traffic. But first and foremost I want sustained drives and TouchDowns. O-line domination, and no pre-snap penalties.
    We've been doing pretty good so far and I want to see it continue'd.

    Much as I loved the defensive scoring performance last week, it really changed our offensive play calling, so I hope the d plays well, but lets the offense score on a short field, rather than scoring theirselves.

    I don't expect us to show multiple formations, or get too innovative in our play calling, just want to see some third downs converted and some drives that result in touchdowns. I know we are stil a work in progress, but with our defense we will be afforded the time to become a good offense.
    First, a couple of nice reads Singer.
    Heck they even put in stats for other starters to show were we are at.

    Second, PurpleTide I hear ya, however, I think you saw some of what we want during the second qtr of the Jets game?

    4:35 MIN - TD, ADRIAN PETERSON 3 YD RUN (RYAN LONGWELL KICK).
    MINNESOTA 21-6.
    Granted, it wasn't a "Chuck it deep" kindof drive that got our D back out on the field right away, but none the less, a good drive that got 6 on the board, chewed up over 4 minutes and gave our D a rest.

    Hmmmmmmmm.
    Pretty good drive IMHO that was called by the staff and executed by the team based on the situation.
    Isn't that what we have beeeeyatching for all summer?
    ;D
    It was a good sustained drive, with decent calls and few mistakes.
    And it put 6 on the board.
    All positives.
    I do think we need to involve our WRs more in deeper routes, or teams will be able to stack the box against us.
    Not a Chuck it deep kind of drive, but one that still keeps the secondary in the secondary... I still like the idea of short passes and YAC as our primary passing strategy, but we really need a deep shot to keep them hpnest every once in a while.

    I am excited for Saturday's game against the Chiefs.
    We will see the starters again for pretty much the entire half, and hopefully see Bevell and Coach Childress address the only two weak spots we have right now: deep passing attack, and punts/kicks.
    The fourth preseason game is pretty much worthless because the starters will be resting, so this is our last real chance befoe the season starts!
    Nice post NP.


    I agree with you to a point......
    Kicking appears to be a weak spot, however, Reyes did most of the kicking.
    Maybe Kluwe will get a shot next.


    This issue has me a bit worried.


    As far as the passing attack, that is a percieved weakness only based on what we saw last year.

    Passes/passing looked good against the Rams and what little we saw against the Jets didn't look to shabby.


    Case in point,,,,,,, If it wasn't for a great play by the Jets D T-will would have made a nice grab.


    Maybe one of our smart guys can go back to the tape and get us a shot of T-wills hands right before the ball was knocked away by the Jets defender.
    If memory serves, he was in correct position to catch the ball.


    Again, I have been on this WR Corps bandwagon all year.
    I think we are gonna be pleasantly suprised this year (Moss crotch sniffers be damned
    ;D)

    This issue doesn't have me as worried as most.
    I have it DVRed still.
    Tonight I will pull it on YouTube and post it.

    TWill was in the right position, but the pass was either late, or not thrown far enough, and allowed the Jets safety to come over and knock it down.
    I don't fault the WR Corps at all for that one.


    I am actually optimistic for our WR crops too.
    But the WR is only half of the deep threat.
    The QB is the other.
    Granted the TWill shot was from Bollinger, but the prior game TJack threw one to TWill that was off target by at least a yard.
    I am not getting off the purple bandwagon yet by any means, but I would like to see something to settle any fears out there...

    Then again, it is just preseason, and we are not seeing everything that we will in the regular season.
    Maybe Coach Childress is keeping some things close to his chest...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:

    We should get a good look at our number 1 guys on offense. I'd like to see Troy get behind the defense, and Shiancoe in the seem, and flat. Rice and Wade catch and run in traffic. But first and foremost I want sustained drives and TouchDowns. O-line domination, and no pre-snap penalties.
    We've been doing pretty good so far and I want to see it continue'd.

    Much as I loved the defensive scoring performance last week, it really changed our offensive play calling, so I hope the d plays well, but lets the offense score on a short field, rather than scoring theirselves.

    I don't expect us to show multiple formations, or get too innovative in our play calling, just want to see some third downs converted and some drives that result in touchdowns. I know we are stil a work in progress, but with our defense we will be afforded the time to become a good offense.
    First, a couple of nice reads Singer.
    Heck they even put in stats for other starters to show were we are at.

    Second, PurpleTide I hear ya, however, I think you saw some of what we want during the second qtr of the Jets game?

    4:35 MIN - TD, ADRIAN PETERSON 3 YD RUN (RYAN LONGWELL KICK).
    MINNESOTA 21-6.
    Granted, it wasn't a "Chuck it deep" kindof drive that got our D back out on the field right away, but none the less, a good drive that got 6 on the board, chewed up over 4 minutes and gave our D a rest.

    Hmmmmmmmm.
    Pretty good drive IMHO that was called by the staff and executed by the team based on the situation.
    Isn't that what we have beeeeyatching for all summer?
    ;D
    It was a good sustained drive, with decent calls and few mistakes.
    And it put 6 on the board.
    All positives.
    I do think we need to involve our WRs more in deeper routes, or teams will be able to stack the box against us.
    Not a Chuck it deep kind of drive, but one that still keeps the secondary in the secondary... I still like the idea of short passes and YAC as our primary passing strategy, but we really need a deep shot to keep them hpnest every once in a while.

    I am excited for Saturday's game against the Chiefs.
    We will see the starters again for pretty much the entire half, and hopefully see Bevell and Coach Childress address the only two weak spots we have right now: deep passing attack, and punts/kicks.
    The fourth preseason game is pretty much worthless because the starters will be resting, so this is our last real chance befoe the season starts!
    Nice post NP.


    I agree with you to a point......
    Kicking appears to be a weak spot, however, Reyes did most of the kicking.
    Maybe Kluwe will get a shot next.


    This issue has me a bit worried.



    As far as the passing attack, that is a percieved weakness only based on what we saw last year.

    Passes/passing looked good against the Rams and what little we saw against the Jets didn't look to shabby.


    Case in point,,,,,,, If it wasn't for a great play by the Jets D T-will would have made a nice grab.


    Maybe one of our smart guys can go back to the tape and get us a shot of T-wills hands right before the ball was knocked away by the Jets defender.
    If memory serves, he was in correct position to catch the ball.


    Again, I have been on this WR Corps bandwagon all year.
    I think we are gonna be pleasantly suprised this year (Moss crotch sniffers be damned
    ;D)

    This issue doesn't have me as worried as most.

    I have it DVRed still.
    Tonight I will pull it on YouTube and post it.

    TWill was in the right position, but the pass was either late, or not thrown far enough, and allowed the Jets safety to come over and knock it down.
    I don't fault the WR Corps at all for that one.


    I am actually optimistic for our WR crops too.
    But the WR is only half of the deep threat.
    The QB is the other.
    Granted the TWill shot was from Bollinger, but the prior game TJack threw one to TWill that was off target by at least a yard.
    I am not getting off the purple bandwagon yet by any means, but I would like to see something to settle any fears out there...

    Then again, it is just preseason, and we are not seeing everything that we will in the regular season.
    Maybe Coach Childress is keeping some things close to his chest...
    You took the words out of my mouth/fingers when you jumped in there with Bolly being the one who threw the pass.
    Point is that T-will seemed to be adjusting to the pass and was in position to make the catch.

    I am looking forward to the Atlanta game for alot of reasons......

    1. See us win.....
    2. Meet alot of you guys/gals and have some brews and talk crap.
    3. Meet some of you who I think I will enjoy talking football with.


    You my friend fall in catagory 3.
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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    I'm not one to say "I told you so." but if you remember in the thread on the post-game NYJ
    comments, I mentioned that I saw no need for the Vikes to keep TJ in longer so he could get more passing experience. This was after several PP.O posters thought we should.
    My reasoning was that TJ was going up against one of the best defenses in the league every day in practice and why take a chance of him getting hurt against a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string players.
    So, along comes this article and guess what Childress has to say in it:
    Childress also emphasized the gamelike conditions of his training camp practices.

    "I would tell you that we're playing against a pretty good defense on a day-to-day basis [in practice]," Childress said. "You can say, 'Well, you haven't gotten live game snaps.' Really, we're trying to practice at as high a tempo as we can to try to simulate that.
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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    With respect to a deep passing threat, there is a good chance we don't establish one this year. We're just going to have to rely on YAC and a strong running game. We are just going to have to fight fire with fire when they stack the box.

    I'm not saying we won't see deep throws or streak/seam routes, I just don't think we have the players to make it effective.

    Last year we disregarded the vanilla offense in preseason because, well it was preseason. Nothing changed when the real season began. This year I'm not making the same mistake. I think we will see the same style of offense we have seen now. I'm just hoping we run the ball as much as possible.
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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    Get rid of the WCO and things will change.
    It is a limited offensive scheme.
    I believe that our receivers are better than that.
    How did Todd Lowber do or did he get to play at all?

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    Re: Vikings' air attack has remained grounded so far

    "V" wrote:
    With respect to a deep passing threat, there is a good chance we don't establish one this year. We're just going to have to rely on YAC and a strong running game. We are just going to have to fight fire with fire when they stack the box.

    I'm not saying we won't see deep throws or streak/seam routes, I just don't think we have the players to make it effective.

    Last year we disregarded the vanilla offense in preseason because, well it was preseason. Nothing changed when the real season began. This year I'm not making the same mistake. I think we will see the same style of offense we have seen now. I'm just hoping we run the ball as much as possible.
    Your just trying to get me stirred up again on the scheme aren't ya.
    ;D

    Core features of the West Coast philosophy are:

    QB makes pre and post-snap reads and judges where the ball should go.
    All five WRs run patterns (ie. no TE or RB blocking).
    Passing game attacks defense within the short-medium range (up to 15 yards).
    Receiver's skill relied on to create YAC and break big plays.
    Force defense to react to passing game: this opens up the run.
    Quick drop (generally 3-5 step, though the 7 step can be used) by QB used to minimize sacks.
    Multiple formations, shifts and motions to create mismatches.
    QBs job is to find the open receiver and deliver the ball by progressing through his reads.
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