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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "baumy300" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    Well, you got me. It IS true that we do only run a few plays, but you're right as well. With a coherent QB we could open up the playbook (granted we have one) and let him go through the trial and error process.

    BUT......

    Anyone remember us bitching about the playbook when Brad Johnson was the QB? We still would run twice, pass for 2 yards and then punt. Johnson knew the playbook, so what is the excuse there?

    Let's all just face it - We need a coach or we won't win with Jesus himself at QB.
    I can't make excuses for the play calling with Johnson.
    Childress was new... Johnson was old... Etc... Those are all true statements, and contributed to it.
    But the fact still remains that play calling was not the best in '06.
    I did see it get significantly better in 07, and I actually think it has been better in '08.
    But I see real problems with the way they are being executed.

    A new coach would make a difference, but there are two problems with that.
    1) It is impractical to fire a HC and get a decent one in week 3. 2) A new coach would can TJack anyway, so we would never know...

    It is more practical to trade for Garcia.
    That is definately doable, and would answer the question once and for all.
    Hell, at this point I wouldn't even mind calling Culpepper back up.



    OK, maybe I am not THAT desperate yet...
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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    I'm not sure if he would be an upgrade but if we get beat by the Panthers I would support trying out some different signal callers. I really think though that at this point we would be as effective with Gus as with Garcia.

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "baumy300" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    I don't exactly buy that... we haven't changed much of anything since Johnson was at the helm... and even he started playing poorly when in Childress' offense, yet he shined in Tice's.
    Shined?

    2005
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    184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3

    That's "shining"?

    =Z=
    I'd love those numbers again.

    Plus he didn't play a full season that year...
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "C" wrote:
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    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "baumy300" wrote:
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=47873.msg836654#msg836654 date=1221504819]
    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    I don't exactly buy that... we haven't changed much of anything since Johnson was at the helm... and even he started playing poorly when in Childress' offense, yet he shined in Tice's.
    Shined?

    2005
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    184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3

    That's "shining"?
    I'd love those numbers again.

    Plus he didn't play a full season that year...
    [/quote]

    Adequate, but not "shining", that's all.
    I don't want Brittle Brad anywhere near this team.

    =Z=

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    Garcia would help.
    We wouldn't have to worry about him learning the playbook, since it is only two pages long.
    And one of those pages is field goal formations.

    But more importantly, Florio is a idiot.

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
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    [quote author=baumy300 link=topic=47873.msg836664#msg836664 date=1221505003]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=47873.msg836654#msg836654 date=1221504819]
    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    I don't exactly buy that... we haven't changed much of anything since Johnson was at the helm... and even he started playing poorly when in Childress' offense, yet he shined in Tice's.
    Shined?

    2005
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    15
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    184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3

    That's "shining"?
    I'd love those numbers again.

    Plus he didn't play a full season that year...
    [/quote]

    Adequate, but not "shining", that's all.
    I don't want Brittle Brad anywhere near this team.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    Yeah, neither do I... but I'm saying Brad definitely went downhill when Childress got here.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "C" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "baumy300" wrote:
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=47873.msg836654#msg836654 date=1221504819]
    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    I don't exactly buy that... we haven't changed much of anything since Johnson was at the helm... and even he started playing poorly when in Childress' offense, yet he shined in Tice's.
    Shined?

    2005
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    184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3

    That's "shining"?

    =Z=
    I'd love those numbers again.

    Plus he didn't play a full season that year...
    [/quote]

    BJ's wins all came against teas with losing records, except NYG... and if you go back and look at that game, offense wasn't exactly our strong point (nor did they score any points).
    I suspect that TJack will be able to post a winning record against the 8 crappy teams we are playing this year as well.
    That doesn't mean that I think TJack will shine by any means...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    I'm not sure if he would be an upgrade but if we get beat by the Panthers I would support trying out some different signal callers. I really think though that at this point we would be as effective with Gus as with Garcia.
    You are probably right, but I would like to at least try something...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    [quote author=baumy300 link=topic=47873.msg836664#msg836664 date=1221505003]
    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=47873.msg836654#msg836654 date=1221504819]
    I honestly believe it wouldn't make a difference. Even with Garcia, defensive coordinators know what plays we are running 3 weeks before the games even started.

    *Sigh*

    This is true. Sadly, all too real.
    I don't think that it is true at all.
    The sad reality is that our slim playbook is a result of TJack's ability, not vice versa.
    I think Garcia would make a pretty big difference.
    I don't exactly buy that... we haven't changed much of anything since Johnson was at the helm... and even he started playing poorly when in Childress' offense, yet he shined in Tice's.
    Shined?

    2005
    Minnesota Vikings
    15
    9
    184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3

    That's "shining"?

    =Z=
    I'd love those numbers again.

    Plus he didn't play a full season that year...
    [/quote]

    BJ's wins all came against teas with losing records, except NYG... and if you go back and look at that game, offense wasn't exactly our strong point (nor did they score any points).
    I suspect that TJack will be able to post a winning record against the 8 crappy teams we are playing this year as well.
    That doesn't mean that I think TJack will shine by any means...
    [/quote]

    TJ's last loss was against a team with a losing record

    At least they had one until 3 seconds left


    I am certainly not hearing that "TJ was 8-4" crap any more lol

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    Re: Vikings after Garcia?

    I'm not sure if I want to post or not in this thread...........


    Anywhooooooo.

    First, its a bit late to get this cat in now.
    He should have looked around a bit when he became a free agent last time instead of just running over to TB.
    Look how he's being treated now.

    Second, isn't he a bit dinged?
    Even though he says he is 100% his coaches say he isn't.
    Wonder who's right on that one.
    Not sure I want him if he isn't healthy.

    Third, it would take him at least 3-4 weeks to get in synch with our WR's, C, OL etc etc.
    By that time it would be a waste of CAP space.


    Nope, as desparate as us fans are now, I don't think its that desparate.
    Let this staff sink/swim with the card they brung us.
    Then and only then will we know were the future lies.
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