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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

    Marrdro wrote:
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    Jesus ... unless I am reading you wrong you are WAY off ...

    NFC Championship Games losers that made it BACK to the NFC Championship Game the NEXT season: San Francisco 49ers (70-71), Dallas Cowboys (72-73), Los Angeles Rams (74-76), Los Angeles Rams (78-79), Dallas Cowboys (80-82), San Francisco 49ers (83-84), Chicago Bears (84-85), Washington Redskins (86-87), San Francisco 49ers (92-94), Dallas Cowboys (94-95), Green Bay Packers (95-96), Philadelphia Eagles (01-04).
    All in all ... that is 18 NFC Championship losers that RETURNED to the NFC Championship Game the next season (18 in 40 years, almost 50%)

    AFC Championship Game losers that made is BACK to the AFC Championship Game the NEXT season: Oakland Raiders (73-76), Houston Oilers (78-79), San Diego Chargers (80-81), Cleveland Browns (86-87), Pttisburgh Steelers (94-95), Pittsburgh Steelers (04-05), New England Patriots (06-07)
    All in all ... that is 9 AFC Championship Game losers that returned to the Championship Game the next season.

    I did not even read the rest of the post ... if you are that far off right off the bat?

    I mean ... that is ALOT of misses.
    I guess I should have actually stated that I only went back to 1990. Thought it was obvious.

    Thanks for adding the extra data though. Makes it a better thread.
    Even by going back to only 1990 your data is wrong.

    Since 1990 NFC/AFC Championship Game losers that went back to the Championship Game the next season are: San Francisco 49ers (92-94), Dallas Cowboys (94-95), Green Bay Packers (95-96), Philadelphia Eagles (01-04), Pttisburgh Steelers (94-95), Pittsburgh Steelers (04-05), New England Patriots (06-07).
    That is TEN times it has happened since 1990. Much more than just the"two" you mentioned.
    I thought it was obvious, considering I posted all of the dates next to my teams. Thanks for reading my post.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

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    I wouldn't really call them misses. He just went with the records of the last twenty years...not all the way back to the 70's.
    Again ... not that hard to read my post.

    He is WAY off and has misses for the last 20 years as well. Including three teams in the last seven years he is just not listing.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

    Marrdro wrote:
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    Right off the top of my head you have a mistake in the VERY first thing you posted.

    The 1995 Packers lost the NFC Championship game and the 1996 Packers not only made it back, but won the Super Bowl.
    How long have you been reading my posts my frien?

    1995 PUKERS 11-4
    1996 PUKERS 13-3 (Damn) >
    DAMN is the best mention they will get out of me as I choose to ignore everything PUKER...... :laugh:
    Jesus ... then WHY does the original post say that the 49ers and Eagles are the ONLY ones that got back to the Championship Game.

    How long have you been reading your own posts?

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

    So ... what you left out ... not only are you WRONG on how many losing teams went back the next season since 1990.

    But you failed to mention that four not only went back, but WON the Superbowl. And SEVEN times the loser went back to the Championship Game and WON, thus heading to the Super Bowl.

    One of the major flaws of this site: Someone posts faulty information, someone else posts the correct information, the person with the faulty information does not read it, still claims his faulty information is correct, and others don't read it either and come to the rescue.

    That and the 45-minute load time for pages.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

    midgensa wrote:
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    One of the major flaws of this site: Someone posts faulty information, someone else posts the correct information, the person with the faulty information does not read it, still claims his faulty information is correct, and others don't read it either and come to the rescue.
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    LMAO. Probably the best summary I have ever read regarding most of the discussions here.

    And congrats on the 5000th post BTW.
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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (

    NodakPaul wrote:
    [quote]midgensa wrote:
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    One of the major flaws of this site: Someone posts faulty information, someone else posts the correct information, the person with the faulty information does not read it, still claims his faulty information is correct, and others don't read it either and come to the rescue.

    LMAO. Probably the best summary I have ever read regarding most of the discussions here.

    And congrats on the 5000th post BTW.
    Hell ... I didn't even notice. I knew I was close, but did not know I was THAT close!

    Thanks!

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (??)

    *bows to midgensa's post-reading superiority*

    You are correct, sir...and I was wrong. Marr did miss the Cowboys, Steelers (2x), and the Pats. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, however, on the Packers, since I would also leave them out just out of spite. LOL

    I guess I'll have to remember to NOT post in response to something in the wee hours of the morning, when my eyes are starting to cross.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (

    ndnorseman wrote:
    *bows to midgensa's post-reading superiority*

    You are correct, sir...and I was wrong. Marr did miss the Cowboys, Steelers (2x), and the Pats. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, however, on the Packers, since I would also leave them out just out of spite. LOL

    I guess I'll have to remember to NOT post in response to something in the wee hours of the morning, when my eyes are starting to cross.
    Meh ... it is not "post-reading superiority" but it is just frustrating with this site.

    So often someone (not necessarily me) comes to the table with CORRECT information and instead of the thread becoming a better discussion with the CORRECT information, the OP tries to argue that their INCORRECT information is correct for another page or two.

    Before you know it, and discussion is lost, because the entire premise of the thread has become being defensive of incorrect information instead of discussing the correct shit that has been presented.

    The fact is ... in the last 20 years, there have been 10 teams that have lost in a Championship Game and returned to it the next season. That is not a large amount, but it is definitely not a small amount. (25% of Championship Game losers return the next season).

    There have been four teams that lost the Championship Game one season and went on to win the Super Bowl the next season. Again, not a large amount, but a decent number (20% of the last 20 years).

    There have been seven teams that lost their Conference Championship and went on to represent their conference in the Super Bowl the next season. Another decent number, though not great.

    I think pointing out that the 2005 Steelers record was worse than the 2004 Steelers is just silly because it does not matter, the 2005 Steelers won the Super Bowl, I am sure they are very happy with that development.

    And OF COURSE alot of the teams have a worse record the next season. Most teams getting to Championship games are putting up 12-4, 13-3 or better seasons ... dropping to 11-5 is hardly a huge deal.

    The stats that are more worth noting are the teams that dropped off the face of the map and went sub-.500 ... and hope we are not one of those .... again.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (

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    There have been four teams that lost the Championship Game one season and went on to win the Super Bowl the next season. Again, not a large amount, but a decent number (20% of the last 20 years).

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    Wouldn't that be 10% of teams that lost the conferance championship game won the superbowl the following season?

    In essence, discarding all other factors, this would be the Vikings chance of winning the superbowl in 2010. 10%. Better than most but hardly a slam dunk.

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    Re:Vikings 2010 Record - History Gives Us a Clue (

    jmcdon00 wrote:
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    There have been four teams that lost the Championship Game one season and went on to win the Super Bowl the next season. Again, not a large amount, but a decent number (20% of the last 20 years).
    Wouldn't that be 10% of teams that lost the conferance championship game won the superbowl the following season?

    In essence, discarding all other factors, this would be the Vikings chance of winning the superbowl in 2010. 10%. Better than most but hardly a slam dunk.[/quote]

    I think that pretty much sums it up.

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