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    Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    [size=12pt]Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties[/size]

    Offense:

    Yards Penalized

    Vikings had 692 yds on offense, which ranks them as 16th from least to most.
    The range is 501 yds for the Patriots to 984 for the Packers

    Fumbles

    Viking tied for 3rd worse with 31 fumbles, 14 of which were lost.
    The range is 36 fumbles for the 9ers to 12 for the Panthers.

    AD led the NFL in fumbles with 9.
    Michael Turner was the only back that had more attempts than AD, 376 vs 363 for AD. Turner finished with 3 fumbles.

    Interceptions

    The Vikings had the 10th most INTs with 17.
    The range is 23 for the Jets to 6 for the Redskins.

    Frerotte tied for 4th for the most INTS with 15.
    The range was 22 for Favre to three for Seneca Wallace.

    Defense:

    Penalties:

    The Vikings tied for 4th with the most penalties with 109 penalities.
    The range was 114 penalties for the Ravens to 68 for the Colts.

    The Vikings led the league in penalty yards on defense with 1,002.
    The low end was the Bills with 540.
    That's a huge range from the best to worse.
    Damn it.

    Fumbles:

    The Vikings were second in the league with fumbles with 34.
    The range was 37 for the Jets to 15 for the Jaguars.

    The Vikings were tied for 3rd in fumbles with 11.
    The range was 16 for the Chiefs to three for the chargers.

    Interceptions:

    The Vikings were tied for 14th in INTS with 12.
    The range was 26 for the Ravens to four for the Lions.

    Just looking at that information it is obvious that the defensive penalties have to take a nosedive.
    If a team that ranks first, by a longshot in defensive penalty yards and still manages to [size=12pt]come in at 13th[/size] in total pts given up (333) minimizes penalties, they could be an incredible defense.
    The range for pts given up is 223 for the Steelers to 517 for the Lions.

    What also stands out is the INTs by the QB, has to be decreased and the fumbles by the RB.
    I propose that this team, 10-6 last year, could be a much better team simply be decreasing the defensive penalties, INTs, and Fumbles.
    There were many games where that was the determining factor, especially when five of the six losses were by less than seven pts.
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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    "Prophet" wrote:
    Just looking at that information it is obvious that the defensive penalties have to take a nosedive.
    If a team that ranks first, by a longshot in defensive penalty yards and still manages to [size=12pt]come in at 13th[/size] in total pts given up (333) minimizes penalties, they could be an incredible defense.
    The range for pts given up is 223 for the Steelers to 517 for the Lions.

    What also stands out is the INTs by the QB, has to be decreased and the fumbles by the RB.
    I propose that this team, 10-6 last year, could be a much better team simply be decreasing the defensive penalties, INTs, and Fumbles.
    There were many games where that was the determining factor, especially when five of the six losses were by less than seven pts.
    I agree through and through.

    One note about defensive fumbles. Did we force 34 or 11? I don't see how we could force 11 fumbles but recover 34.
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    "Prophet" wrote:
    Just looking at that information it is obvious that the defensive penalties have to take a nosedive.
    If a team that ranks first, by a longshot in defensive penalty yards and still manages to [size=12pt]come in at 13th[/size] in total pts given up (333) minimizes penalties, they could be an incredible defense.
    The range for pts given up is 223 for the Steelers to 517 for the Lions.

    What also stands out is the INTs by the QB, has to be decreased and the fumbles by the RB.
    I propose that this team, 10-6 last year, could be a much better team simply be decreasing the defensive penalties, INTs, and Fumbles.
    There were many games where that was the determining factor, especially when five of the six losses were by less than seven pts.
    I agree through and through.

    One note about defensive fumbles. Did we force 34 or 11? I don't see how we could force 11 fumbles but recover 34.
    Maybe someone else can decipher the fumble deal, it's linked.
    They don't explain it well that I saw.
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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    "Prophet" wrote:
    [size=12pt]Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties[/size]

    Offense:

    Yards Penalized

    Vikings had 692 yds on offense, which ranks them as 16th from least to most.
    The range is 501 yds for the Patriots to 984 for the Packers

    Fumbles

    Viking tied for 3rd worse with 31 fumbles, 14 of which were lost.
    The range is 36 fumbles for the 9ers to 12 for the Panthers.

    AD led the NFL in fumbles with 9.
    Michael Turner was the only back that had more attempts than AD, 376 vs 363 for AD. Turner finished with 3 fumbles.

    Interceptions

    The Vikings had the 10th most INTs with 17.
    The range is 23 for the Jets to 6 for the Redskins.

    Frerotte tied for 4th for the most INTS with 15.
    The range was 22 for Favre to three for Seneca Wallace.

    Defense:

    Penalties:

    The Vikings tied for 4th with the most penalties with 109 penalities.
    The range was 114 penalties for the Ravens to 68 for the Colts.

    The Vikings led the league in penalty yards on defense with 1,002.
    The low end was the Bills with 72.
    That's a huge range from the best to worse.
    gol 'darnit it.

    Fumbles:

    The Vikings were second in the league with fumbles with 34.
    The range was 37 for the Jets to 15 for the Jaguars.

    The Vikings were tied for 3rd in forced fumbles with 11.
    The range was 16 for the Chiefs to three for the chargers.

    Interceptions:

    The Vikings were tied for 14th in INTS with 12.
    The range was 26 for the Ravens to four for the Lions.

    Just looking at that information it is obvious that the defensive penalties have to take a nosedive.
    If a team that ranks first, by a longshot in defensive penalty yards and still manages to [size=12pt]come in at 13th[/size] in total pts given up (333) minimizes penalties, they could be an incredible defense.
    The range for pts given up is 223 for the Steelers to 517 for the Lions.

    What also stands out is the INTs by the QB, has to be decreased and the fumbles by the RB.
    I propose that this team, 10-6 last year, could be a much better team simply be decreasing the defensive penalties, INTs, and Fumbles.
    There were many games where that was the determining factor, especially when five of the six losses were by less than seven pts.
    great post prophet as usual.. and i agree with you...

    the only thing is the bill had 540 penalty yards and 72 penalties... that's still a huge difference where we almost doubled the lead leader... that's just ridiculous...

    it's funny though, bc last year although we had a lot of penalties, i don't feel like many of them actually killed us or lost us games... like in prior years...

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    Looks to me like we forced 34 and recovered 13. 11 of them were on running plays, two were on pass?
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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    Just looking at that information it is obvious that the defensive penalties have to take a nosedive.
    If a team that ranks first, by a longshot in defensive penalty yards and still manages to [size=12pt]come in at 13th[/size] in total pts given up (333) minimizes penalties, they could be an incredible defense.
    The range for pts given up is 223 for the Steelers to 517 for the Lions.

    What also stands out is the INTs by the QB, has to be decreased and the fumbles by the RB.
    I propose that this team, 10-6 last year, could be a much better team simply be decreasing the defensive penalties, INTs, and Fumbles.
    There were many games where that was the determining factor, especially when five of the six losses were by less than seven pts.
    I agree through and through.

    One note about defensive fumbles. Did we force 34 or 11? I don't see how we could force 11 fumbles but recover 34.
    Maybe someone else can decipher the fumble deal, it's linked.
    They don't explain it well that I saw.
    i think we forced 34 and recovered 11... atleast that way it makes sense...

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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    ....the only thing is the bill had 540 penalty yards and 72 penalties... that's still a huge difference where we almost doubled the lead leader... that's just ridiculous...
    That did seem strange, i didn't want to take the extra second to double check though, still a big difference.
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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    "bleedpurple" wrote:

    great post prophet as usual.. and i agree with you...

    the only thing is the bill had 540 penalty yards and 72 penalties... that's still a huge difference where we almost doubled the lead leader... that's just ridiculous...

    it's funny though, bc last year although we had a lot of penalties, i don't feel like many of them actually killed us or lost us games... like in prior years...
    Yeah, I think the turnovers last year hurt us a lot more. We gave our defense bad field position many times. The ST TDs killed us too.

    Is there a way to see points-off-TOs for opposing teams during the entire year? I bet we'd be last in that.
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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    Nice Work!
    Thanks!!

    Dang!!!
    This defense is so close to being truly dominant!
    Just think...EJ returning, Gordon back at nickel, Udeze rotating in along the DL!!
    We should be better just by being healthy, but if they can clean up those penalties, there could be great things coming their way!!!
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Vikings 2008 regular season turnovers & penalties

    Excellent post, I'll be book marking it for reference later.
    Gus ranked 4th in INT's? He only played 10.5 games. Retire his ass.
    I had no idea we had the most defensive penalty yards. That is embarrassing for a defense with the talent and veteran leadership ours has.
    I hoped for more INT's in 08 with the addition of Allen and more pressure on the QB. It didn't work out that way but I think that might be an anomaly and I expect that number to increase going forward.

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