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    JWalkRulz84 is offline Rookie
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    Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    So we are all eager to start the season and on paper, it seems as though the Vikes not only have the strongest team in the division, but possibly the strongest team in the NFC. I was interested to give my opinion on position comparisons and see what you guys think here. Let me know what you think...

    QB - Brett Favre vs. Daunte Culpepper
    While C-Pep has a clear advantage in statistics and athleticism, Favre has the ability to "will" the Pack to victory. Both these QB's are the backbone of their teams and each team would be in serious trouble if they were lost. ADVANTAGE: EVEN

    RB - Ahman Green vs. Michael Bennett/Mewelde Moore/Moe Williams
    Ahman Green is going to get his 1300 yards and 10 TD's every season. The Vikes running backs were not very impressive last season but I really think Bennett is gonna buck up and stay healthy this year. That remains to be seen however and C-Pepp picks up quite a bit of yards himself instead of the running backs.
    ADVANTAGE: AHMAN GREEN (PACKERS)

    FB - William Henderson vs. Jim Kleinsasser
    Henderson finally got the recognition he deserved last season by making it to his first pro-bowl. He has paved the way for Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, and Ahman Green. He is a savvy vet who does not miss an assignment. Kleiny is very good out of the backfield. Very solid blocker but its tough to compete when you are on the sidelines with an injury and Hendo has been a monster.
    ADVANTAGE: WILLIAM HENDERSON (PACKERS)

    WR - Javon Walker/Donald Driver/Robert Ferguson vs. Nate Burleson/Troy Williamson/Marcus Robinson
    This isn't much of a debate. While there is clear potential for the Vikes, the Pack have 2 1000+ yd receivers and one of them is an All-Pro. The Vikes receivers will have to step up in the absence of Moss. Burleson will be solid but the questions of Williamson and Robinson stepping up are questionable.
    ADVANTAGE: WALKER/DRIVER/FERGUSON (PACKERS)

    OL - (Clifton, Klemm, Flanagan, Barry, Tauscher) vs. (McKinnie, Goldberg, Birk, Liwienski, Rosenthal)
    The losses of Wahle and Rivera hurt the Pack. However, the solid pick ups of Adrian Klemm and Matt O'Dwyer were big and Kevin Barry has always had a great upside to him. The Pack already have solid players in Clifton, Flanagan and Tauscher. Birk is the best in the Biz at center and if his injury is bad, it will be very costly. Both these lines appear to be strong at the tackle and center positions, however the guards might be where its tough.
    ADVANTAGE: EVEN

    DL - KGB, Kampman, Jackson, Hunt vs. Udeze, Williams x 2, James
    This is not even close. The Vikes Defensive line is absolutely rock solid. A lot of potential on the ends and dominance in the middle. The Pack's only real talented players are KGB and Jackson. The Vikes D-Line could destroy opponents O-Line this year if Udeze and James can be solid. The Pack's D-Line has some potential Players but it doesnt look good this year.
    ADVANTAGE: UDEZE, WILLIAMS x 2, JAMES (VIKINGS)

    Linebackers - Diggs, Barnett, Thompson vs. Harris, Cowart, Thomas
    This is the only weak spot in the Vikes defense. I thought they sort of failed to address this in the offseason despite the additions of Cowart and Harris. Harris and Thomas have a lot of upside and potential where as Cowart is there for his leadership presence. Barnett is a big playmaker, Diggs is very solid on the strong side and Thompson is very speedy and quick to the ball. This is the strongest part of the Packer defense.
    ADVANTAGE: DIGGS, BARNETT, THOMPSON (PACKERS)

    Cornerbacks - Carroll and Harris vs. Winfield and Smoot
    Im not going to even go there. Winfield and Smoot are the best duo in the NFC, maybe even the NFL.
    ADVANTAGE: WINFIELD and SMOOT (VIKINGS)

    Safeties - Freeman and Collins vs. Sharper and Chavous
    Again, this isnt even close. Two vets capable of big plays. I dont even know who the Packers starting safeties will be.
    ADVANTAGE: SHARPER and CHAVOUS (VIKINGS)

    What do you guys think?
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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    I do agree with alot of things....However I think our linebackers will do better then you think because it will be Roanall Smith instead of Thomas...So it will be Cowart, Harris, and Smith which if smith stays healthy...He could definitly be a star. :shock:


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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    And you forgot about Travis Taylor...Who has looked really really good so far this offseason in our wr corp.


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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    "JWalkRulz84" wrote:
    So we are all eager to start the season and on paper, it seems as though the Vikes not only have the strongest team in the division, but possibly the strongest team in the NFC. I was interested to give my opinion on position comparisons and see what you guys think here. Let me know what you think...

    QB - Brett Favre vs. Daunte Culpepper
    While C-Pep has a clear advantage in statistics and athleticism, Favre has the ability to "will" the Pack to victory. Both these QB's are the backbone of their teams and each team would be in serious trouble if they were lost. ADVANTAGE: EVEN

    RB - Ahman Green vs. Michael Bennett/Mewelde Moore/Moe Williams
    Ahman Green is going to get his 1300 yards and 10 TD's every season. The Vikes running backs were not very impressive last season but I really think Bennett is gonna buck up and stay healthy this year. That remains to be seen however and C-Pepp picks up quite a bit of yards himself instead of the running backs.
    ADVANTAGE: AHMAN GREEN (PACKERS)

    FB - William Henderson vs. Jim Kleinsasser
    Henderson finally got the recognition he deserved last season by making it to his first pro-bowl. He has paved the way for Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, and Ahman Green. He is a savvy vet who does not miss an assignment. Kleiny is very good out of the backfield. Very solid blocker but its tough to compete when you are on the sidelines with an injury and Hendo has been a monster.
    ADVANTAGE: WILLIAM HENDERSON (PACKERS)

    WR - Javon Walker/Donald Driver/Robert Ferguson vs. Nate Burleson/Troy Williamson/Marcus Robinson
    This isn't much of a debate. While there is clear potential for the Vikes, the Pack have 2 1000+ yd receivers and one of them is an All-Pro. The Vikes receivers will have to step up in the absence of Moss. Burleson will be solid but the questions of Williamson and Robinson stepping up are questionable.
    ADVANTAGE: WALKER/DRIVER/FERGUSON (PACKERS)

    OL - (Clifton, Klemm, Flanagan, Barry, Tauscher) vs. (McKinnie, Goldberg, Birk, Liwienski, Rosenthal)
    The losses of Wahle and Rivera hurt the Pack. However, the solid pick ups of Adrian Klemm and Matt O'Dwyer were big and Kevin Barry has always had a great upside to him. The Pack already have solid players in Clifton, Flanagan and Tauscher. Birk is the best in the Biz at center and if his injury is bad, it will be very costly. Both these lines appear to be strong at the tackle and center positions, however the guards might be where its tough.
    ADVANTAGE: EVEN

    DL - KGB, Kampman, Jackson, Hunt vs. Udeze, Williams x 2, James
    This is not even close. The Vikes Defensive line is absolutely rock solid. A lot of potential on the ends and dominance in the middle. The Pack's only real talented players are KGB and Jackson. The Vikes D-Line could destroy opponents O-Line this year if Udeze and James can be solid. The Pack's D-Line has some potential Players but it doesnt look good this year.
    ADVANTAGE: UDEZE, WILLIAMS x 2, JAMES (VIKINGS)

    Linebackers - Diggs, Barnett, Thompson vs. Harris, Cowart, Thomas
    This is the only weak spot in the Vikes defense. I thought they sort of failed to address this in the offseason despite the additions of Cowart and Harris. Harris and Thomas have a lot of upside and potential where as Cowart is there for his leadership presence. Barnett is a big playmaker, Diggs is very solid on the strong side and Thompson is very speedy and quick to the ball. This is the strongest part of the Packer defense.
    ADVANTAGE: DIGGS, BARNETT, THOMPSON (PACKERS)

    Cornerbacks - Carroll and Harris vs. Winfield and Smoot
    Im not going to even go there. Winfield and Smoot are the best duo in the NFC, maybe even the NFL.
    ADVANTAGE: WINFIELD and SMOOT (VIKINGS)

    Safeties - Freeman and Collins vs. Sharper and Chavous
    Again, this isnt even close. Two vets capable of big plays. I dont even know who the Packers starting safeties will be.
    ADVANTAGE: SHARPER and CHAVOUS (VIKINGS)

    What do you guys think?
    Add Travis Taylor. He is looking great in minicamp. Potential #2. The Packers linebackers better than the Vikes!? come on... Three new, mistake prone youngsters vs. A veteran leader, a loud team motivator, and THEN a young newer guy. Disagree with the LB's. Favre = Culpepper is stupid. Simple as that. Henderson made it to the Pro Bowl becasue Kleinsassar was INJURED! let us see who is in the Pro Bowl this year. The offensive line rating is also a joke. You forgot to put on Marcus Johson who, in case you didn't follow was a SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK! this guy is looking like a beast in minicamp, unlike the old no-names the Pack will have to start.

    This post is ridiculous. :sleepy4:

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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    Not too bad except we are BETTER at QB and we are at least even at WR. You DO NOT HAVE AN ALL-PRO receiver, you have a pro bowl receiver, MUCH different ... by the way, his best year as a No. 1 is barely better than Burleson's best as a No. 2 ... and the No.2-4 guys are clearly better on the purple side.
    Also, our LBs are even at least ... the only position you are hands down BETTER at is RB, maybe FB, but that is close too ... but at least you tried to be objective, so I can take that from a troll.

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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    come on guys I thought JWalk did a pretty good job. We are all a little biased. I only have one question...do you think that Jimmy K and Henderson are about even...look what happend to the Vikes running game last year when he got hurt.
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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    Sasser gives more to the Vikes then Henderson does to the pack. His ability to become a sure handed TE is a huge bonus.

    That and the QB situation is advantage Vikings.

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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    Favre has had a great career but I would take Culpepper over him in a second right now in their careers. The playoff game last January was a passing of the torch in my opinion. Culpepper had one of the best years ever as a QB and if Manning didn't ahve the year he did he would be getting more props.

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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    "JWalkRulz84" wrote:
    QB - Brett Favre vs. Daunte Culpepper
    While C-Pep has a clear advantage in statistics and athleticism, Favre has the ability to "will" the Pack to victory. Both these QB's are the backbone of their teams and each team would be in serious trouble if they were lost. ADVANTAGE: EVEN
    I personally disagree with this, but in the interest of attempting not to be biased, I'll leave your assesment alone on the starters. However, we've seen Culpepper get injured before for a couple weeks, and with Farve getting up there in age, I don't think you can completely discount the possibility that the backups for both teams might have to play some significant downs. So, I think this analysis needs to also include Johnson vs. Niall/Rodgers. Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the Packers back-ups, but what I've read recently indicates that both are struggling in mini-camps. I haven't seen Niall play much, so that's all I really have to go on. However, we've seen Johnson perform well in the past in Minnesota, and we've seen him win a superbowl with the Bucs. ADVANTAGE: JOHNSON (VIKINGS)

    "JWalkRulz84" wrote:
    FB - William Henderson vs. Jim Kleinsasser
    Henderson finally got the recognition he deserved last season by making it to his first pro-bowl. He has paved the way for Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, and Ahman Green. He is a savvy vet who does not miss an assignment. Kleiny is very good out of the backfield. Very solid blocker but its tough to compete when you are on the sidelines with an injury and Hendo has been a monster.
    ADVANTAGE: WILLIAM HENDERSON (PACKERS)
    Basing your final decision on the fact that Kleinsasser was injured last year, when he is not injured now, is not a valid comparison. I'm not sure this comparison is applicible, since the Vikings don't use a fullback very often in their offensive sets. I'd list this either as EVEN, or as N/A.

    You also didn't do a comparison of the TE position. I'd be inclined to give that to the Vikings, as Wiggins and Kleinsasser are an impresive duo, and cover a wide range of skills. However, I don't know who the Packers have after Franks (who's still not even under contract as far as I've heard), so this is a pretty incomplete analysis.

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    Re: Viking/Packer Position Comparisons...

    Jwalker, ur all wrong.

    QB-Culpepper so much better than that sissy old hick Favre who is too scared to take a hit so he throws ints.(Eagles vs Packers 2 years ago) VIKINGS

    RB- Definitely vikings. UR runningbacks arent that good. Ur offensive line was the best thats why they all could run behind it. Too bad Rivera and Wahle, the two most important people in ur offense are gone. Sad, isnt it?
    Bennett is more explosive than Green, Moe Williams Fason and Moore are alot beter than Davenport and Tony Fisher. VIKINGS

    FB- WE dont really use one in our offense. WE have a two tight end system or and H-back and a tight end. Ill give u Henderson is better than Berton FUDGE PACKERS

    WR- Javon Walker is the best out of all the wrs, but we have more depth than u and all of our wide receivers combined have alot more skill than ferguson, walker, driver,chatman and those two rookies u got. Besides, Walker doesnt even want to play. VIKINGS

    TE-Kleinsasser and Wiggins are so much better than Bubba Franks. WE have The best blocking tight end/h back in football in Kleinsasser and wiggins, though not being so athletic is still a valuable weapon VIKINGS

    OL- Our o line is going to be better this year because ur two best lineman are gone. VIKINGS

    DL- Without a doubt the vikings. They are so much more athletic, faster and more aggressive than Green Bays d line. Plus we got a better big guy in Pat Williams rather than Grady Jackson VIKINGS

    LB- us, with the addition Of Napoleon Harris, who has more talent than all ur linebackers combnined. We also have a proven but aging leader in Cowart and Raonall Smith is good when he is healthy. EJ Henderson is going to be a good player too with Cowart helping him out. VIKINGS

    CB- Do i even need to answer this?
    Ralph Brown is better than all ur Cb's
    VIKINGS

    S- Another one that is no comparisant-
    VIKINGS

    K,P- Green BAY Longwell is proven and so is ur punter.

    Ill give u guys that u have a great pass rusher in KGB and a great receiver in Walker, but who knows if he will play for u next year.

    Have fun being at the basement in 05, the year where the purple takes the trophy home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I hate the bears and packers

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