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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Ok, so we lost a game. BOOOO! LOL. Not a big deal. And judging by the slow tar play, not a big deal to them either. I have to say, I haven't felt better after a loss. Way back when the schedule came out, Childress said "Arizona in Dec." right off the bat. We should have won, but didn't. I am rather shocked this thread is this short, considering we lost.

    So first off, we start out thowing the ball. We do not use AD, what did he have 11 runs late in the 3rd quarter? Just as well have left him home. The Cards game planned well for us. We, did not. They had a plan for Favre, Allen, and AD. And a good one. We just showed up. Err, I guess technically, we did show up. Not well done.

    Warner threw 5 picks a few games ago, I am ok with Favre (even still odd to type that) having only 2. That happens. Where were the screens? While the Cards were in their "Amoeba" D, where were the Quick snap runs to AD...oh yeah, we left him at home. Another walkthrough practice for the Vikes, except we got our best LB hurt ( And I sure hope things go well for EJ).

    We laid an egg, onward we go. Hopefully, the brain trust remembers that we are a running team. But I wont hold my breath on that one. Childress/Bevel are the only people that can take AD out of a game ( I guess Favre can if he chooses to audible). Who needs the best player on your team? 45 passes? We are not the '07 Pats, or the '98 Vikes.

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    At the casino bar where I watch the games some idiot decided that Sunday night would be a great time to have Karaoke at the bar. I got to watch the Vikes lose while listening to really bad singers do really bad songs for 3 hours. It is hard to describe the headache I have. :blink:

    We played like we did last year. The play calling was unimaginative, boring and totaly predictable. The Cards knew exactly where the ball was going on almost every play. The O line was manhandled tonight.

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    And that my friends is what happens when you play a winning team

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    I thought the team played poorly overall. On both sides of the ball. We never got going on O, and the Defense sputtered all night.

    I think our secondary was exposed for being worse than we'd hoped it was, and it showed what happens when our front 4 don't get pressure on the QB.

    I think the loss of EJ is huge...gonna be tough to replace him again.

    I think Peterson is getting frustrated...personally, I am of the opinion that he's just not getting enough carries.

    We finally saw Favre have an off game...wasn't pretty. Hope he's got it out of his system now.

    Suprisingly, I'm not too upset about this on the larger picture. Hopefully this loss fuels the fires once again, and we can drive through the next 4 weeks and into the play-offs.

    As for the Cards, they just played a lights-out game on both sides of the ball. They looked darn good for most of the game. Hopefully we crush them next time we meet.

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Was down at the game hmy: it was an uncomfortable game to attend. We were moving the ball ok for the most part, then would just fall apart. The run game was non-existant, and THREE interceptions. Short field for the Cards most of the game. Disappointing.

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Still optimistic.. However we can't play like that against other top tier teams.. Never gonna get far

    Outcoached.. out played.. It was nasty

    Positives:
    Percy is a frickin beast
    Sanford steppin in for Tyrell looks lightyears ahead of him
    Tahi springing AP for his only good runs (yes I said Tahi)
    Hicks played surprisingly well
    Chester stepping up again.. Very complete player

    Overall D-

    Favre on a bad game still played fairly respectable.. Few horrible throws and a few dropped picks.. But thats what happens when you have no rush game

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Alot of us need to take a step back as well and take a look at the teams we have beat

    When we play good teams it's way too close or we lose

    We have a good team but if we continue to be held to being one dimensional and get no pressure and let teams throw all over us we won't get far

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    As someone pointed out, AD is anonymous. He doesnt wait for the holes to open up and often runs into the O-line. In so NOT waiting for the holes I believe in my humble opinion that its easier for opposing teams to stuff the outside too taking away the runs there as well.

    I also believe that the run blocking scheme has suffered. AD is not solely to blame. I see our O-line holding up good at the passplay (for most part) but on running plays they blow and more often than not (yes im generalising) let the D-line penetrate into teh backfield.

    It starts upfront and loosing the battle of the trenches was not helping at all today.

    Defensively... We need safetys who can cover and need DB who can tackle. I believe Frasier would be more keen to blitz if he knew the coverage was good. As it was now our front 4 was held in check. And when Frasier let the coverage be 1 on 1, we busted.

    Special teams. Hm, not much to say. One blown play, and the rest was not bad not good.

    I also cant help thinking Favre was hurt today. He shook his right handa bit and kindof protected his right side when got tackled at one point, not to say all his overthrowing the ball to the WR.

    My two cents and ofcourse IMHO

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Dekay wrote:
    As someone pointed out, AD is anonymous. He doesnt wait for the holes to open up and often runs into the O-line. In so NOT waiting for the holes I believe in my humble opinion that its easier for opposing teams to stuff the outside too taking away the runs there as well.

    I also believe that the run blocking scheme has suffered. AD is not solely to blame. I see our O-line holding up good at the passplay (for most part) but on running plays they blow and more often than not (yes im generalising) let the D-line penetrate into teh backfield.

    It starts upfront and loosing the battle of the trenches was not helping at all today.

    Defensively... We need safetys who can cover and need DB who can tackle. I believe Frasier would be more keen to blitz if he knew the coverage was good. As it was now our front 4 was held in check. And when Frasier let the coverage be 1 on 1, we busted.

    Special teams. Hm, not much to say. One blown play, and the rest was not bad not good.

    I also cant help thinking Favre was hurt today. He shook his right handa bit and kindof protected his right side when got tackled at one point, not to say all his overthrowing the ball to the WR.

    My two cents and ofcourse IMHO
    It is because he is a "cut-back" runner. He cut-backs (or bounces it) to the outside.

    I know what you are saying though. I think a lot of the times he dances a little to much. I love seeing RB's just "hit" it full bore....like Chris Johnson.

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    Re:VIKES vs CARDS POSTGAME THREAD

    Obviously a bad one. It happens, and when it does there are plenty of things that went wrong.

    But two that got to me were: (1) the two punts in the fourth quarter; and (2) the continued problems up front in the run game.

    As to the (1), it seemed like the coaching staff basically gave up. They were going for it at the end, so I guess they didn't actually give up, they just made poor decisions.

    The first punt came with 13:57 left in the game, the Vikes at their own 44 and facing a 4th-and-11. I know it seems like a ways to go, but you are near mid-field and down by three scores. Fact of the matter is that your team is running out of chances.

    The second punt came with 10:02 left in the game and the Cards still up by 17. Again it's long - 4th-and-13. But at this point you need some plays to win.

    Moving on to (2), it continues to pain me when AD is blamed for his relatively poor numbers this year. It was more of the same this week with the line... guys getting pushed back, defenders coming off blocks, etc.

    I was going to do some more in depth analysis. It was too painful after just a few plays though.

    I watched the first run by AD, and Shiancoe has a crack back on the linebacker. He seals, but fails to keep the linebacker from getting up-field. That means that the pulling lineman runs into this linebacker instead of getting out in front of the run. There are multiple defenders running free, and AD does a good job beating them to the outside for five yards.

    On Peterson's second run, no hole opens up play-side (right) and the linemen get pushed back about 2-3 yards. The defensive end play-side comes off his block and makes a nice play. But even if he hadn't, the back-side defensive end was able to get in on the tackle because he came off his block and no one else was able to get any push and make him run around. Also, the safety ran unobstructed to meet AD at the line as well. That one went for 0 yards.

    On Peterson's third run, the nickle back makes an aggressive move into the backfield and the receiver isn't able to get a block. Sullivan is pulling and should pick the guy up, but he has a real poor effort on the play. AD is hit 3 yards in the backfield and breaks the tackle. He gets outside, but the time it takes allows defenders to get off blocks. With the offensive line pushed back, there is also little to no resistance to linebackers and other defenders pursuing from the backside. AD gets nothing on the play.

    Peterson ran 13 times for 19 yards in this game. He probably got any kind of blocking on 2 or 3 of those plays. That's not good.

    In the grand scheme of things though, the Vikes are still a good team. They had a bad loss. That doesn't make them a bad team.
    When the age of the Vikings came to a close, they must have sensed it. Probably, they gathered together one evening, slapped each other on the back and said, "Hey, good job." - Jack Handey [Deep Thoughts]

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