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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

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    As to the FG comment. Who knows. Maybe it takes more out of your leg to kick one over the other.
    It does. FG's you have two steps to get enough power to boot the ball 60 yards, while kickoffs you can start at full sprint if you really want to.
    Truth of the matter is, he can kick it deep. His record prior to becoming a Vike is evidence of it. Unless his leg just went to shit, we know he could kick before he got here.
    Hmm... that makes sense because its not like players ever just stop performing at a high(ish) level.
    So far, he's been active for thier last 2 games and has had only 2 chances to kick and both have been Touchbacks.


    4th and 4 at TB 37 (Shotgun) M.Moore pass short middle to S.Smith for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 7 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 7 7
    .Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback
    Tampa Carolina box scoreFrom the Carolina Tampa box score


    2nd and 1 at CIN 1 J.Stewart up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 10 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 10 7
    R.Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback.
    From the Bengals/Carolina box score
    Bengals - Carolina Box Score

    Obviously he can still do it.
    You're kidding me right?

    You reference two kicks which are touchbacks.

    Both of those kicks are 70 yard kicks, taken at the goalline. Why they weren't returned is beyond me.

    Longwell can kick it 70 yards.

    That's not by any means a big boot.

    He should thank that returnman for the touchbacks.

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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:

    As to the FG comment. Who knows. Maybe it takes more out of your leg to kick one over the other.
    It does. FG's you have two steps to get enough power to boot the ball 60 yards, while kickoffs you can start at full sprint if you really want to.
    Truth of the matter is, he can kick it deep. His record prior to becoming a Vike is evidence of it. Unless his leg just went to shit, we know he could kick before he got here.
    Hmm... that makes sense because its not like players ever just stop performing at a high(ish) level.
    So far, he's been active for thier last 2 games and has had only 2 chances to kick and both have been Touchbacks.


    4th and 4 at TB 37 (Shotgun) M.Moore pass short middle to S.Smith for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 7 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 7 7
    .Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback
    Tampa Carolina box scoreFrom the Carolina Tampa box score


    2nd and 1 at CIN 1 J.Stewart up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 10 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 10 7
    R.Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback.
    From the Bengals/Carolina box score
    Bengals - Carolina Box Score

    Obviously he can still do it.
    You're kidding me right?

    You reference two kicks which are touchbacks.

    Both of those kicks are 70 yard kicks, taken at the goalline. Why they weren't returned is beyond me.

    Longwell can kick it 70 yards.

    That's not by any means a big boot.

    He should thank that returnman for the touchbacks.
    Your kidding me right?

    Why they weren't returned is beyond me.
    Its called "Hang Time". Returns come from kicks that are basically line drives (ala Shortwell).
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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
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    As to the FG comment. Who knows. Maybe it takes more out of your leg to kick one over the other.
    It does. FG's you have two steps to get enough power to boot the ball 60 yards, while kickoffs you can start at full sprint if you really want to.
    Truth of the matter is, he can kick it deep. His record prior to becoming a Vike is evidence of it. Unless his leg just went to shit, we know he could kick before he got here.
    Hmm... that makes sense because its not like players ever just stop performing at a high(ish) level.
    So far, he's been active for thier last 2 games and has had only 2 chances to kick and both have been Touchbacks.


    4th and 4 at TB 37 (Shotgun) M.Moore pass short middle to S.Smith for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 7 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 7 7
    .Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback
    Tampa Carolina box scoreFrom the Carolina Tampa box score


    2nd and 1 at CIN 1 J.Stewart up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 10 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 10 7
    R.Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback.
    From the Bengals/Carolina box score
    Bengals - Carolina Box Score

    Obviously he can still do it.
    You're kidding me right?

    You reference two kicks which are touchbacks.

    Both of those kicks are 70 yard kicks, taken at the goalline. Why they weren't returned is beyond me.

    Longwell can kick it 70 yards.

    That's not by any means a big boot.

    He should thank that returnman for the touchbacks.
    Your kidding me right?

    Why they weren't returned is beyond me.
    Its called "Hang Time". Returns come from kicks that are basically line drives (ala Shortwell).
    right... ask any returner who fields a ball at the goalline if he'd return in. probably 95% would say yes.

    Now, riddle me this.. he was kicking 70+ kicks for us that were returned. Why on earth would that be? Did Chilly tell him not to put as much hangtime on them?
    :dry:

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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:

    As to the FG comment. Who knows. Maybe it takes more out of your leg to kick one over the other.
    It does. FG's you have two steps to get enough power to boot the ball 60 yards, while kickoffs you can start at full sprint if you really want to.
    Truth of the matter is, he can kick it deep. His record prior to becoming a Vike is evidence of it. Unless his leg just went to shit, we know he could kick before he got here.
    Hmm... that makes sense because its not like players ever just stop performing at a high(ish) level.
    So far, he's been active for thier last 2 games and has had only 2 chances to kick and both have been Touchbacks.


    4th and 4 at TB 37 (Shotgun) M.Moore pass short middle to S.Smith for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 7 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 7 7
    .Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback
    Tampa Carolina box scoreFrom the Carolina Tampa box score


    2nd and 1 at CIN 1 J.Stewart up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 10 6
    J.Kasay extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker. 10 7
    R.Lloyd kicks 70 yards from CAR 30 to end zone, Touchback.
    From the Bengals/Carolina box score
    Bengals - Carolina Box Score

    Obviously he can still do it.
    You're kidding me right?

    You reference two kicks which are touchbacks.

    Both of those kicks are 70 yard kicks, taken at the goalline. Why they weren't returned is beyond me.

    Longwell can kick it 70 yards.

    That's not by any means a big boot.

    He should thank that returnman for the touchbacks.
    Your kidding me right?

    Why they weren't returned is beyond me.
    Its called "Hang Time". Returns come from kicks that are basically line drives (ala Shortwell).
    right... ask any returner who fields a ball at the goalline if he'd return in. probably 95% would say yes.

    Now, riddle me this.. he was kicking 70+ kicks for us that were returned. Why on earth would that be? Did Chilly tell him not to put as much hangtime on them?
    :dry:
    I already did. They were working on coverage schemes, not if he could kick a touchback.

    Again, we knew he could when they brought him in. He did it in the last preseason game and he is doing it now.

    On a side note, you are completely ignoring the fact that the staff is still looking for someone as we speak. I still say they want to have TBacks later on in the season and Shortwell isn't the cat who is gonna get that done.

    If they find someone, they will add him once the roster stuff settles out a bit. Atleast thats my guess.
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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.

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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.
    It isn't that they haven't made the team. Its that the team couldn't afford to carry the extra ST player.

    As to his TB %. Did I miss one or two? Looking at the box score I only saw two from him and both were TB's. That equates to 100% to me.
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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.
    It isn't that they haven't made the team. Its that the team couldn't afford to carry the extra ST player.

    As to his TB %. Did I miss one or two? Looking at the box score I only saw two from him and both were TB's. That equates to 100% to me.
    he's had four kickoffs with the Panthers this year, two were touchbacks, two were bad to mediocre kicks. He's played two games.

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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.
    It isn't that they haven't made the team. Its that the team couldn't afford to carry the extra ST player.

    As to his TB %. Did I miss one or two? Looking at the box score I only saw two from him and both were TB's. That equates to 100% to me.
    he's had four kickoffs with the Panthers this year, two were touchbacks, two were bad to mediocre kicks. He's played two games.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/rhyslloyd/gamelogs?id=LLO676464
    Thats what I get for using the Disney Channel for my stats. Thanks.

    Still, all in all, 2 TB's equal 50% How many does Shortwell have?

    Again, I have been pleasantly pleased with the effort so far, but I fear we will see that slip a bit as the year goes on.

    The staff, judging by the two visits, probably agrees with me.
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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.
    It isn't that they haven't made the team. Its that the team couldn't afford to carry the extra ST player.

    As to his TB %. Did I miss one or two? Looking at the box score I only saw two from him and both were TB's. That equates to 100% to me.
    he's had four kickoffs with the Panthers this year, two were touchbacks, two were bad to mediocre kicks. He's played two games.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/rhyslloyd/gamelogs?id=LLO676464
    Thats what I get for using the Disney Channel for my stats. Thanks.

    Still, all in all, 2 TB's equal 50% How many does Shortwell have?

    Again, I have been pleasantly pleased with the effort so far, but I fear we will see that slip a bit as the year goes on.

    The staff, judging by the two visits, probably agrees with me.
    And I guarantee we'll see Lloyd's TB % slip as well.

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    Re: Vikes Look At Two Kickers & Two Linemen

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Yet the facts remain:

    They've brought in kickoff specialists the past few years, none have made the team yet.

    Lloyd wasn't kicking great for us, and even said so himself.

    Funny thing is, If he wasn't "trying" in preseason, you think he would in reguar season right?

    Well:

    Longwell
    Avg.
    67.5
    Lloyd
    Avg.
    64.2

    What on earth happened. two 70 yard touchbacks, and two other kicks, which led to a 64.2 average.

    I'll tell you, the other was a 55 yard shank on th eopening kickoff, the other was only 62 yards, both were opening kickoffs.


    Yes, his TB percentage is 50% so far this season, but his terrible kick% is 25%, mediocre kick% is 25%.

    I'll take consistency over an 'everything or nothing' kicker.
    It isn't that they haven't made the team. Its that the team couldn't afford to carry the extra ST player.

    As to his TB %. Did I miss one or two? Looking at the box score I only saw two from him and both were TB's. That equates to 100% to me.
    he's had four kickoffs with the Panthers this year, two were touchbacks, two were bad to mediocre kicks. He's played two games.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/rhyslloyd/gamelogs?id=LLO676464
    Thats what I get for using the Disney Channel for my stats. Thanks.

    Still, all in all, 2 TB's equal 50% How many does Shortwell have?

    Again, I have been pleasantly pleased with the effort so far, but I fear we will see that slip a bit as the year goes on.

    The staff, judging by the two visits, probably agrees with me.
    And I guarantee we'll see Lloyd's TB % slip as well.
    Could be. I need to go look at how many he got last year in the beginning and how many he got towards the end.

    2009

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