Thread: Unconventional Defensive Schemes

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

What everyone misses is that the it is imperative to catch the Offense off gaurd when you throw a package like that, or anything other than our traditional 4-3 base scheme at them for it to work.

And for the guys who don't think a LB or a DE can drop back into coverage, you should watch a few more games other than just a Vikings game or two (especially teams that run 3-4 base Def) and you will see alot of DE and LB dropping into coverage.

Of course they don't run with the WR or TE, but rather drop into short zones in an effort to take away the 3 step drop/quick throws.

The problem with them is you have to get to the QB or your toast.

;D

By the way, a excellent idea for a thread.
To bad everyone will just pick the ideas apart and call them asinine.

;D

Who called it asinine?

In another thread I plugged in one of these schemes and I was told it was asinine.
No big deal.
;D

"VikingMike" wrote:

Any scheme or combination of schemes that helps to put added pressure on the QB to hurry his passes is fine with me. Great pass rush = hurries/INT's, and can be accomplished with adequate CBs.

I am a huge proponent of running a basic default D, and throwing in different looks to confuse the QB and mess up blocking assignments. And the more drastic the better...from 2, 3 or 4 DL to 5 LBs or 5 DBs in certain situations.

Put it this way, if we who are watching the game look at the defensive alignment and say "what the hell?"...so will the QB, and he might burn a timeout or make a bad play.

Exactly.

The problem still exists that once we run one of these plays/packages, it is now on tape for all to see/prep for but it does add a level of complexity that we currently don't see much with our base defense other than a few times we saw them throw some variations of the 3-4 in last year.

Again, all designed to confuse.
;D

Why not take a page out of the ravens playbook for obvious passing downs








Madieu










Frampton












Sharper


Griffin



Greenway

Henderson



Leber



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Winfield



















KWilliams




Edwards

you could even rotate out of a 3-3-5 into this

Robison or Edwards (or whoever our faster end is) can move up to linebacker, with Kevin Williams and whoever our remaining End is on the line

Madieu










Griffin












Sharper


Gordon



Greenway

Henderson



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Edwards
Phat Pat

I took out K-will as Phat Pat seems to be getting more penetration of late than Kevin.
And I stuck Griff in the middle and added Gordon.

Same concept though, just some different players that I think fit better.

seems reasonable.
I'm sure that we'll pick up a safety somewhere in the draft and he would probably be the best fit for that 3rd safety spot.
but for now i just listed players we have on roster.
your way works a little better though I think

I think I'd lean toward the coverage guys back there too.
Phat Pat seems to be our big, clog the middle guy, so I think he's the best fit at DT in a scheme with less DL.
Kevin can play some DE too, and would be a nice fit there in a 3-something.
Maybe in the 2-something too.
Imagine the praise the Williams would recieve if they still got pressure in a 2 DL vs. 5 OL situation!
The OL would have to be pretty athletic to be able to put more than a double team on them, and the Williams would have the option of shifting to one side or the other to prevent the OL from stacking up the way they'd like.

Example:
Pat anchors the middle, EJ has to be ready in the middle if they run, not much help coming from the DL in front of him.
KWill shifts all the way out to tye up the LT so maybe Greenway can turn the corner and hit the QB from the side.
That would leave 3 LBs and 5 secondary in coverage, with hopefully, our surprise rush LB getting some pressure quick.

"Marrdro" wrote:

Madieu










Griffin












Sharper


Gordon



Greenway

Henderson



Leber



Robison











Winfield



















Edwards
Phat Pat

I took out K-will as Phat Pat seems to be getting more penetration of late than Kevin.
And I stuck Griff in the middle and added Gordon.

Same concept though, just some different players that I think fit better.

The dreaded 2-4-3.... Actually, I like the look of this.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

What everyone misses is that the it is imperative to catch the Offense off gaurd when you throw a package like that, or anything other than our traditional 4-3 base scheme at them for it to work.

And for the guys who don't think a LB or a DE can drop back into coverage, you should watch a few more games other than just a Vikings game or two (especially teams that run 3-4 base Def) and you will see alot of DE and LB dropping into coverage.

Of course they don't run with the WR or TE, but rather drop into short zones in an effort to take away the 3 step drop/quick throws.

The problem with them is you have to get to the QB or your toast.

;D

By the way, a excellent idea for a thread.
To bad everyone will just pick the ideas apart and call them asinine.

;D

Who called it asinine?

In another thread I plugged in one of these schemes and I was told it was asinine.
No big deal.

;D

Because it was in your thread, it's asinine!
;D

But seriously, how cute you can get with your Defense depends on the people on the field and the level of intelligence on the sideline.

For a team with a pathetic pass D last year, I do not think we should be taking any major leaps and bounds with scheme's.
What DL are we going to drop in coverage across the middle?
Fat Pat?
No.
We need his big butt getting pressure up the gut.
To go 3-4 or even more LB's you need one ley element...fast LB's that can cover.

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

What everyone misses is that the it is imperative to catch the Offense off gaurd when you throw a package like that, or anything other than our traditional 4-3 base scheme at them for it to work.

And for the guys who don't think a LB or a DE can drop back into coverage, you should watch a few more games other than just a Vikings game or two (especially teams that run 3-4 base Def) and you will see alot of DE and LB dropping into coverage.

Of course they don't run with the WR or TE, but rather drop into short zones in an effort to take away the 3 step drop/quick throws.

The problem with them is you have to get to the QB or your toast.

;D

By the way, a excellent idea for a thread.
To bad everyone will just pick the ideas apart and call them asinine.

;D

Who called it asinine?

In another thread I plugged in one of these schemes and I was told it was asinine.
No big deal.

;D

Because it was in your thread, it's asinine!

;D

But seriously, how cute you can get with your Defense depends on the people on the field and the level of intelligence on the sideline.

For a team with a pathetic pass D last year, I do not think we should be taking any major leaps and bounds with scheme's.
What DL are we going to drop in coverage across the middle?
Fat Pat?
No.
We need his big butt getting pressure up the gut.
To go 3-4 or even more LB's you need one ley element...fast LB's that can cover.

Can you say, Chad and Rufus.
;D

Anyway, I think we saw a bit of creativity out of Leslie last year with some of the 3-4 stuff and some of the LB blitz schemes.
Heck we even saw ole Phat Pat (and some other DL) drop into coverage a few times in an effort to confuse.

Some additional manpower this year will surely give them the lattitude/luxury of coming up with a few that will have all of us, and opposing QB's scratching thier heads, thats for sure.

Why they put Pat in coverage is beyond me.
He's got to be the slowest DL we have.
It seems to make so much more sense to let him draw the double on the line and back off a Robison, Edwards, or tweener DE/OLB guy like Groves or Brian Johnston.