Unconventional Defensive Schemes

**Vikes_King** · 04-15-2008, 06:39 AM

"singersp" wrote:

M.Williams

Sharper

Henderson

Winfield

Griffin

Greenway

Leber

Robison

KWill

PAT

Taylor

i was waiting to see the first person to say that..
;D

we'll see about that come draft day

**Marrdro** · 04-15-2008, 06:52 AM

What everyone misses is that the it is imperative to catch the Offense off gaurd when you throw a package like that, or anything other than our traditional 4-3 base scheme at them for it to work.

And for the guys who don't think a LB or a DE can drop back into coverage, you should watch a few more games other than just a Vikings game or two (especially teams that run 3-4 base Def) and you will see alot of DE and LB dropping into coverage.

Of course they don't run with the WR or TE, but rather drop into short zones in an effort to take away the 3 step drop/quick throws.

The problem with them is you have to get to the QB or your toast.
;D

By the way, a excellent idea for a thread.
To bad everyone will just pick the ideas apart and call them asinine.

;D

**ultravikingfan** · 04-15-2008, 07:05 AM

"Marrdro" wrote:

What everyone misses is that the it is imperative to catch the Offense off gaurd when you throw a package like that, or anything other than our traditional 4-3 base scheme at them for it to work.

And for the guys who don't think a LB or a DE can drop back into coverage, you should watch a few more games other than just a Vikings game or two (especially teams that run 3-4 base Def) and you will see alot of DE and LB dropping into coverage.

Of course they don't run with the WR or TE, but rather drop into short zones in an effort to take away the 3 step drop/quick throws.

The problem with them is you have to get to the QB or your toast.

;D

By the way, a excellent idea for a thread.
To bad everyone will just pick the ideas apart and call them asinine.

;D

Who called it asinine?

**digital420** · 04-15-2008, 07:10 AM

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

**ultravikingfan** · 04-15-2008, 07:14 AM

"digital420" wrote:

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

I believe that the defense utilizes hand signals, not radio.

If they were to change it once the QB goes under center, it is pre-planned.
You cannot have a defense looking at the sideline when the ball could be snapped at any moment and you do not want to get caught with the entire team shifting.
Usually you will see movement by the LB's or DB's prior to the snap.

**digital420** · 04-15-2008, 07:18 AM

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"digital420" wrote:

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

I believe that the defense utilizes hand signals, not radio.

If they were to change it once the QB goes under center, it is pre-planned.
You cannot have a defense looking at the sideline when the ball could be snapped at any moment and you do not want to get caught with the entire team shifting.
Usually you will see movement by the LB's or DB's prior to the snap.

yeah, the timing would have to be done perfectly..
and preknowledge i agree of assigned positions would be layed out. if something drastic changed.. then u'd have the probs of shifting into position. but then it also is something that would be used 2-3 times a game at most.
i'd never back doin it more then that.. just to risky..

but could be a great way to annoy the !#$%#!$ outta opponent qb's.

DiGiTaL

**Vikes_King** · 04-15-2008, 07:19 AM

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"digital420" wrote:

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

I believe that the defense utilizes hand signals, not radio.

If they were to change it once the QB goes under center, it is pre-planned.
You cannot have a defense looking at the sideline when the ball could be snapped at any moment and you do not want to get caught with the entire team shifting.
Usually you will see movement by the LB's or DB's prior to the snap.

The defense will have one player on the field that has radio communication just like the quarterback now in the new rule changes, in case you missed that.

**VikingMike** · 04-15-2008, 07:24 AM

Any scheme or combination of schemes that helps to put added pressure on the QB to hurry his passes is fine with me. Great pass rush = hurries/INT's, and can be accomplished with adequate CBs.

I am a huge proponent of running a basic default D, and throwing in different looks to confuse the QB and mess up blocking assignments. And the more drastic the better...from 2, 3 or 4 DL to 5 LBs or 5 DBs in certain situations.

Put it this way, if we who are watching the game look at the defensive alignment and say "what the hell?"...so will the QB, and he might burn a timeout or make a bad play.

**ultravikingfan** · 04-15-2008, 07:26 AM

"Vikes_King" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"digital420" wrote:

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

I believe that the defense utilizes hand signals, not radio.

If they were to change it once the QB goes under center, it is pre-planned.
You cannot have a defense looking at the sideline when the ball could be snapped at any moment and you do not want to get caught with the entire team shifting.
Usually you will see movement by the LB's or DB's prior to the snap.

The defense will have one player on the field that has radio communication just like the quarterback now in the new rule changes, in case you missed that.

I had thought I read about that but was not sure.
However, I believe they can only use this in the huddle and when the offense is under center they cannot use it; so my statement still stands.
Hand signals will still be employed.

**Vikes_King** · 04-15-2008, 07:33 AM

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"Vikes_King" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"digital420" wrote:

the things i like most of yer ideas is that from that you could really shift into several packages.

i mean..

before snap count shift into the cover2 or 1..

set some blitz packages

really give the qb some far out looks.. and then with the new radio signal to the D.. packages could be re aligned without the qb/center ever being able to know besides the basics.

thought i doubt we'd actually do it. i luv the idea!!

DiGiTaL

I believe that the defense utilizes hand signals, not radio.

If they were to change it once the QB goes under center, it is pre-planned.
You cannot have a defense looking at the sideline when the ball could be snapped at any moment and you do not want to get caught with the entire team shifting.
Usually you will see movement by the LB's or DB's prior to the snap.

The defense will have one player on the field that has radio communication just like the quarterback now in the new rule changes, in case you missed that.

I had thought I read about that but was not sure. However, I believe they can only use this in the huddle and when the offense is under center they cannot use it; so my statement still stands.
Hand signals will still be employed.

Correct.
I was just pointing it out incase you didn't know
;D