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    Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    "We have been approached by two different groups in Los Angeles -- the Ed Roski group and more recently by former Timberwolves CEO Tim Leiweke and AEG," Bagley said in the chat.

    Bagley said that team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota.
    Bagley said the Vikings have told both interested groups that the organization is "focused on resolving the issue in Minnesota."


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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Lack of public support for a stadium, now a bunch of cry baby fans pissing and moning about the HC.

    Might not be LA, but I sure think we are gonna see something happen, sooner rather than later.

    So sad. So very very sad.

    All I can do is hope, and yes pray, that I am wrong and that the elected officials up there in MN will pop thier heads out of thier asses. I don't think we can ever fix the fans.
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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Please tread very lightly when you group "fans" into one group.

    Not all fans are crybabies about the HC and not all fans need fixing.

    Ugh...if this team moves...so long Vikings, PPO and Ultra as a NFL fan.

    This is a pretty interesting statement here, could be read either way:

    Bagley said team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota

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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Quote Originally Posted by "ultravikingfan" #1080737
    Please tread very lightly when you group "fans" into one group.

    Not all fans are crybabies about the HC and not all fans need fixing.
    Point well taken. Remembering of course, that when I say "Fan" that includes me as well.

    Ugh...if this team moves...so long Vikings, PPO and Ultra as a NFL fan.
    You will have the Browns.......I told you Holmgren would change things up there.....


    This is a pretty interesting statement here, could be read either way:

    Bagley said team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota
    Which is the big headscratcher for me as to why the MN voters and thier elected officials aren't all onboard.

    Can you imagine the jobs and revenue that would come from the development that the Wilfs want to do around thier stadium?

    Look, I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, so if I can see it, why can't those that are smarter than me see it?
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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1080742
    Quote Originally Posted by "ultravikingfan" #1080737
    Please tread very lightly when you group "fans" into one group.

    Not all fans are crybabies about the HC and not all fans need fixing.
    Point well taken. Remembering of course, that when I say "Fan" that includes me as well.

    Ugh...if this team moves...so long Vikings, PPO and Ultra as a NFL fan.
    You will have the Browns.......I told you Holmgren would change things up there.....


    This is a pretty interesting statement here, could be read either way:

    Bagley said team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota
    Which is the big headscratcher for me as to why the MN voters and thier elected officials aren't all onboard.

    Can you imagine the jobs and revenue that would come from the development that the Wilfs want to do around thier stadium?

    Look, I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, so if I can see it, why can't those that are smarter than me see it?
    The vision of some is weaker than others. I find it funny that the state will probably let the Vikes go and in a few years try to lure a new team to the state. Stars ring a bell. They weren't gone even twenty years and you bring in a new hockey team. The stars by the way went to Dallas and a few yaers after the move won the Stanley Cup!! Wouldn't that suck to see this team move and win a championship.

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    My honest opinion is that a stadium deal will get done this year. Yes, there is a decent possibility of the state losing the Vikings, but I think there is a greater chance that a stadium will be put in place.

    The encouraging news that I heard, both from this online chat as well as some of my own sources is that they are engaged in discussions on three different sites in the metro area, and plan to solidify a plan before going to the legislature in 2011.

    From what I have heard, one of the sites is on the site of the metrodome. The second site is also in Minneapolis, but closer to Target Field to create a sports district. This one confuses me a little bit, because they need approximately 9 city blocks for a stadium, and I can't for the life of me figure out where they would get this in that area. However, this seems to agree with the LA tour that they took last year. The final site is confirmed as in the suburbs, and I have heard Brooklyn Park floated around a couple of times. Not sure if that is the actual location, or if it is just rumor, but it would make sense - lots of land still, and multiple interstate and highway access.
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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1080742
    Quote Originally Posted by "ultravikingfan" #1080737
    Please tread very lightly when you group "fans" into one group.

    Not all fans are crybabies about the HC and not all fans need fixing.
    Point well taken. Remembering of course, that when I say "Fan" that includes me as well.

    Ugh...if this team moves...so long Vikings, PPO and Ultra as a NFL fan.
    You will have the Browns.......I told you Holmgren would change things up there.....


    This is a pretty interesting statement here, could be read either way:

    Bagley said team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota
    Which is the big headscratcher for me as to why the MN voters and thier elected officials aren't all onboard.

    Can you imagine the jobs and revenue that would come from the development that the Wilfs want to do around thier stadium?

    Look, I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, so if I can see it, why can't those that are smarter than me see it?
    Because you're focused on the stadium and only the stadium. The political reality is that Minnesota has a HUGE budget deficit (multi-billion) and it's a hard-sell to non-football fans that the state should use public funding for a stadium.

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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    MN is so divided when it comes to sports. On one hand we have the diehard, I-bleed-purple people who are willing to sacrifice body parts for their team(s). On the other we have folks fighting tooth and nail to see that no money goes toward sports that isn't at least matched toward arts, education, politics etc...

    I think many are so focused in on their particular view that they don't see the big picture...and perhaps don't want to. Truth is, the Vikings bring business to the Twin Cities from 4 neighboring states (without NFL teams) and Canada, not to mention the more rural areas of our own state.

    The Metrodome holds around 65000 people. On average, they spend what while traveling to/from/thru the Cities?

    Gas 25
    Food 25
    Beer/drinks 25
    Hotels 30
    Shopping 25

    So, I'm totally guessing, but I spend a lot more than that, and I'm allowing for lots of people who spend nothing, but we're to $130/person already, or 8.45 million dollars per game, which would be 67.6 million dollars over the course of 8 home games. Then there are preseason and possibly playoffs too. That is a huge chunk of spending for the downtown and surrounding areas that would be greatly missed...especially considering much of the NFL season is during the slower months!

    I don't know what the sales tax is there, but we're at 7.5% out here and that % would yield over $5 million in just sales taxes for the government each year too!!

    Then, there are all the jobs of rebuilding the thing and what's more, all the jobs of bars, restaurants, shops, and lodging in the area that would be negatively effectes as well! It seems a no-brainer to me, but I live out here in CO, so my say isn't worth much.
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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Quote Originally Posted by "mountainviking" #1080784
    MN is so divided when it comes to sports. On one hand we have the diehard, I-bleed-purple people who are willing to sacrifice body parts for their team(s). On the other we have folks fighting tooth and nail to see that no money goes toward sports that isn't at least matched toward arts, education, politics etc...

    I think many are so focused in on their particular view that they don't see the big picture...and perhaps don't want to. Truth is, the Vikings bring business to the Twin Cities from 4 neighboring states (without NFL teams) and Canada, not to mention the more rural areas of our own state.

    The Metrodome holds around 65000 people. On average, they spend what while traveling to/from/thru the Cities?

    Gas 25
    Food 25
    Beer/drinks 25
    Hotels 30
    Shopping 25

    So, I'm totally guessing, but I spend a lot more than that, and I'm allowing for lots of people who spend nothing, but we're to $130/person already, or 8.45 million dollars per game, which would be 67.6 million dollars over the course of 8 home games. Then there are preseason and possibly playoffs too. That is a huge chunk of spending for the downtown and surrounding areas that would be greatly missed...especially considering much of the NFL season is during the slower months!

    I don't know what the sales tax is there, but we're at 7.5% out here and that % would yield over $5 million in just sales taxes for the government each year too!!

    Then, there are all the jobs of rebuilding the thing and what's more, all the jobs of bars, restaurants, shops, and lodging in the area that would be negatively effectes as well! It seems a no-brainer to me, but I live out here in CO, so my say isn't worth much.
    There are actually existing studies on the direct and indirect tax impact of the Vikings. You can see most of them in the MSFC archives.

    Direct tax for the existing stadium (bringing in sales tax and income tac) is just under $25 million per year. Direct tax for a new stadium is expected to be over $30 million per year. Some stats say as high as $45 million, but I think that is a gross overestimate.

    And the Vikings have also said that they would be willing to sign a lease until 2045 with a new stadium, so not even counting inflation (falt rate calculation assuming income and cost of living does not go up over the next 35 years), the state would see between $800 million and $1 billion returned in DIRECT tax revenue. That is not even counting the indirect revenue.

    So there is no question as to whether the state would recoup their money - they absolutely would. This is one of the reasons that I truely believe that it will get done. HOWEVER, there are other investments that the state could invest $750 million in that would generate a much higher return on investment. The legislatures need to look at the opportunity cost involved in a stadium deal and decide if the intangible benefits are worth the cost. This is also why bills like Racino, which provide continuing income (from a new non-tax source) after the stadium is paid for, have a much smaller opportunity cost. I personally don't like the Racino bill as much, but I think it is going to be the best solution.
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    Re: Two L.A. groups have shown interest in Minnesota V

    Quote Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1080775
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1080742
    Quote Originally Posted by "ultravikingfan" #1080737
    Please tread very lightly when you group "fans" into one group.

    Not all fans are crybabies about the HC and not all fans need fixing.
    Point well taken. Remembering of course, that when I say "Fan" that includes me as well.

    Ugh...if this team moves...so long Vikings, PPO and Ultra as a NFL fan.
    You will have the Browns.......I told you Holmgren would change things up there.....


    This is a pretty interesting statement here, could be read either way:

    Bagley said team owner Zygi Wilf and Vikings management toured L.A. Live, an entertainment complex located in the city's downtown area, in 2009. According to Bagley, the group was looking for ideas on building a similiar entertainment district in Minnesota
    Which is the big headscratcher for me as to why the MN voters and thier elected officials aren't all onboard.

    Can you imagine the jobs and revenue that would come from the development that the Wilfs want to do around thier stadium?

    Look, I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, so if I can see it, why can't those that are smarter than me see it?
    Because you're focused on the stadium and only the stadium. The political reality is that Minnesota has a HUGE budget deficit (multi-billion) and it's a hard-sell to non-football fans that the state should use public funding for a stadium.

    =Z=
    Nope, I think if you re-read what I said you would see that I really was more focused on the development that would surround the stadium and all the income that would come from that, not only for the residents but the government as well via taxes.

    Can you imagine the jobs and revenue that would come from the development that the Wilfs want to do around thier stadium?
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